The babyjesuschristsuperstar on Board: filling the moral void of Clinton’s legacy

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
For one, I never called it a quagmire. As I recall, you put that word in my mouth, and then had to admit I hadn't used it. Or maybe you didn't admit it -- maybe you just disappeared for a while.

In that vein, please find the post where I said the invasion was doomed, or the one where I said there would never be a vote, or a constitution, or that the vote meant bad things.

I may have said the constitution was flawed. I may have said the groups could never work together. If so, I haven't exactly been proven wrong yet.

You, like Bush and Cheney, would much prefer to argue with straw men. When they do it, it's political technique. When you do, it's intellectual laziness.

Nice fake. You post something - and I assume that, when you post a Dem rant, you're doing it for some reason aside from convincing us that that particular ranter is nuts - whose main point is, we never said that! And, of course, that's exactly the theme that's been pushed by you ("you" is the overarching liberal Bush-hating solution-avoiding big-city mass) all these many months. But, did you ("you" here means, well, you - Ty) ever say those exact words? Don't remember, but I certainly remember you saying, over and over and over, that, gosh, maybe all of those good things might someday happen, and I ("I" here meaning, me, Bilmore) must be far more optimistic than you, 'cuz, well, you just couldn't see it, given the idiot we had in charge.

For you to come here and say anything even remotely resembling "well, I always said it would all work. or at least I never poo-pooed it" is just funny. ("Funny" here means, complete and arrant bullshit.)

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I would post a biting comment that would make DTB realize that Ty is really quite trite, except I don't post here anymore.

RIP PB.

She does punctuation, not logic. Be kind.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by bilmore
Afghanistan is being cleaned up, and elections have been held. By all accounts, the majority of citizens there are grateful. Saddam is gone. Iraq has had elections, voted in a constitution, and is even now beginning the process of inter-party negotiation and compromise that is the hallmark of a working democracy. By all accounts, the majority of citizens are grateful. Partially as a result of the lessening of Saddam's destabilizing influences and partly because of Bush's influences, Israel and Palestine are closer to figuring out a way to live together. By all accounts, the majority of citizens are grateful. The markets are way up. Our educational systems are finally beginning to pay attention to the lowest achieving groups - something they could ignore previously because there were no metrics. Tax cuts have fueled the economy. Bolton has now pushed through the anti-Hezbollah measure where everyone before him has failed. I predict Roberts is going to be one of the all-time most popular, least partisan SC Justices in memory. N Korea is apparently backing down from its earlier position and is talking to all interested parties - something Bush insisted on and characterized as crucial. I could go on, but this paragraph is already too long.

Yes, quite the fuck-up.

What's truly fucked up is that so many of your cohorts can allow their visceral Bush-hate to make them speak so irrationally and ridiculously as to say that the current status is fucked up. I remain firmly convinced that, if Bush found a magical bean that produced enough food and clean water to end starvation as we know it, you would be here telling us that that stoopid fucking Bush should have more green vegetables and fewer proteins in the diet, and that he stole the election, and Gore or Kerry would be feeding us in a far more healthy way, and, by the way, Bush is stoopid.

(Oh, and, nice save and backpedal with the oops, okay, maybe he didn't really lie like we keep trumpeting in the theme that is the sole essence of our party. Admitting that, but then saying he's a poopy-head anyway. Strong position.

Now, pull a SS and yell "Katrina!" As long as your response is as sophisticated as his, you can go sit by him.

Oh, and, Merry Thanksgiving!

2. And isn't it "Happy Thanksgiving".

[dtb]

Originally posted by bilmore
She does punctuation, not logic. Be kind.

That's right, Hanky. Follow b's shining example.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by dtb
That's right, Hanky. Follow b's shining example.

don't get hoodwinked. It is said that Mein Kampf was written in long-hand and without any misspellings or grammar errors.

Good grammar does not equal good content.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by bilmore
Nice fake. You post something - and I assume that, when you post a Dem rant, you're doing it for some reason aside from convincing us that that particular ranter is nuts - whose main point is, we never said that! And, of course, that's exactly the theme that's been pushed by you ("you" is the overarching liberal Bush-hating solution-avoiding big-city mass) all these many months. But, did you ("you" here means, well, you - Ty) ever say those exact words? Don't remember, but I certainly remember you saying, over and over and over, that, gosh, maybe all of those good things might someday happen, and I ("I" here meaning, me, Bilmore) must be far more optimistic than you, 'cuz, well, you just couldn't see it, given the idiot we had in charge.

For you to come here and say anything even remotely resembling "well, I always said it would all work. or at least I never poo-pooed it" is just funny. ("Funny" here means, complete and arrant bullshit.)

What a non-responsive pile of crap this was. I'm sorry I wasted fourteen seconds of my life reading it.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
What a non-responsive pile of crap this was. I'm sorry I wasted fourteen seconds of my life reading it.

Yeah Ty! Even though most people say you're at fault for the board being dead, you're not. You are not at fault- of course not. I have decided to quit this board because of you, but I'm sure......well actually I do think your intellectual dishonesty combined with your toadies acting like you make sense have killed the board. Bye.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by bilmore
Afghanistan is being cleaned up, and elections have been held. By all accounts, the majority of citizens there are grateful. Saddam is gone. Iraq has had elections, voted in a constitution, and is even now beginning the process of inter-party negotiation and compromise that is the hallmark of a working democracy. By all accounts, the majority of citizens are grateful. Partially as a result of the lessening of Saddam's destabilizing influences and partly because of Bush's influences, Israel and Palestine are closer to figuring out a way to live together. By all accounts, the majority of citizens are grateful. The markets are way up. Our educational systems are finally beginning to pay attention to the lowest achieving groups - something they could ignore previously because there were no metrics. Tax cuts have fueled the economy. Bolton has now pushed through the anti-Hezbollah measure where everyone before him has failed. I predict Roberts is going to be one of the all-time most popular, least partisan SC Justices in memory. N Korea is apparently backing down from its earlier position and is talking to all interested parties - something Bush insisted on and characterized as crucial. I could go on, but this paragraph is already too long.

Yes, quite the fuck-up.

What's truly fucked up is that so many of your cohorts can allow their visceral Bush-hate to make them speak so irrationally and ridiculously as to say that the current status is fucked up. I remain firmly convinced that, if Bush found a magical bean that produced enough food and clean water to end starvation as we know it, you would be here telling us that that stoopid fucking Bush should have more green vegetables and fewer proteins in the diet, and that he stole the election, and Gore or Kerry would be feeding us in a far more healthy way, and, by the way, Bush is stoopid.

(Oh, and, nice save and backpedal with the oops, okay, maybe he didn't really lie like we keep trumpeting in the theme that is the sole essence of our party. Admitting that, but then saying he's a poopy-head anyway. Strong position.

Now, pull a SS and yell "Katrina!" As long as your response is as sophisticated as his, you can go sit by him.

Oh, and, Merry Thanksgiving!

If you're going to suck Bush's cock, do it in 2 paragraphs or less. And leave me out of it.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by bilmore
Yes, quite the fuck-up.

What's truly fucked up is that so many of your cohorts can allow their visceral Bush-hate to make them speak so irrationally and ridiculously as to say that the current status is fucked up. . . .

[Magical bean]

(Oh, and, nice save and backpedal with the oops, okay, maybe he didn't really lie like we keep trumpeting in the theme that is the sole essence of our party. Admitting that, but then saying he's a poopy-head anyway. Strong position.

"Backpedaling"? "Like _we_ keep trumpeting in the theme that is the sole essence of _our_ party."? I see you still can't seem to break out of your habit of viewing groups of people as undifferentiated masses.

Nice. Keep on believing that. If you do, you'll be sitting there wondering "What happened" after my party hands you your ass.

You are on record as saying that it is honorable and defensible to belive that Bush was negligent in his rationale for taking us into the Iraq war. I do take that position, and I believe that his handling of much of it thereafter has been incompetent as well.(particularly the first year). Mission Accomplished!

So, its honorable and defensible, but still makes you see red, hmm? Well, I'll have to reconsider my entire philosophy after hearing such well-considered criticism from a neutral observer like yourself.

You know, you're right, B. Its all good.

S_A_M

P.S. It cracks me up that the Dems being successful at demagoguing Bush pisses you off so much. Since Lee Atwater, your party has made a living at doing the same damn thing -- its a big piece of how the GOP has been so damn successful in national campaigns since then. The Dems were much slower and worse at it -- not sufficiently disciplined and organized to do it well until motivated by minority party status.

You think you're better than that, spend time talking about Bush's "honor." Fucking hilarious.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I have decided to quit this board because of you, but I'm sure......well actually I do think your intellectual dishonesty combined with your toadies acting like you make sense have killed the board. Bye.

You know, I think the big, resignation flounce-out would be more effective, and more justified if you had done something better than the crap you criticize.

Its been too long since you've even tried. So quit already, if the last year is the best you can do.

S_A_M

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Spanky
2. And isn't it "Happy Thanksgiving".

So, since I can't substantively engage the former member of CREEP - 2004 style -- what do you think about the permanent campaign point in my post?

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
"Backpedaling"? "Like _we_ keep trumpeting in the theme that is the sole essence of _our_ party."? I see you still can't seem to break out of your habit of viewing groups of people as undifferentiated masses.

Nice. Keep on believing that. If you do, you'll be sitting there wondering "What happened" after my party hands you your ass.

You are on record as saying that it is honorable and defensible to belive that Bush was negligent in his rationale for taking us into the Iraq war. I do take that position, and I believe that his handling of much of it thereafter has been incompetent as well.(particularly the first year). Mission Accomplished!

So, its honorable and defensible, but still makes you see red, hmm? Well, I'll have to reconsider my entire philosophy after hearing such well-considered criticism from a neutral observer like yourself.

You know, you're right, B. Its all good.

S_A_M

P.S. It cracks me up that the Dems being successful at demagoguing Bush pisses you off so much. Since Lee Atwater, your party has made a living at doing the same damn thing -- its a big piece of how the GOP has been so damn successful in national campaigns since then. The Dems were much slower and worse at it -- not sufficiently disciplined and organized to do it well until motivated by minority party status.

You think you're better than that, spend time talking about Bush's "honor." Fucking hilarious.

STP

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
So, since I can't substantively engage the former member of CREEP - 2004 style -- what do you think about the permanent campaign point in my post?

I don't agree with it. Campaign mode to me means that you are always looking to the next election, and the elections are more important than policy. Constanly gauging public opinion etc.

I think the Clinton administration was in permanent campaign mode. Clinton was definitely very concerned with elections. This was very clear form his turn around after the 94 election disaster and his run to the arms of Dick Morris. Clinton changed his policy to get reelected.

With Bush, Policy trumps politics. Bush sticks to what he believes in and tries to get the country to go along with what he believes in. You may not like what he believes in, but I think it is totally erroneous to say that he is in permanent campaign mode because his policy is very consistent.

I think he is in permanent sell. He knows exactly what his policy is and is always trying to sell it. And he does a pretty good job of it. But if public opinion turns against him, he changes his selling tactics but never his policy.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
So, since I can't substantively engage the former member of CREEP - 2004 style -- what do you think about the permanent campaign point in my post?

BTW - I worked full time on 2000 but was just a volunteer consultant on 2004.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Yeah Ty! Even though most people say you're at fault for the board being dead, you're not. You are not at fault- of course not. I have decided to quit this board because of you, but I'm sure......well actually I do think your intellectual dishonesty combined with your toadies acting like you make sense have killed the board. Bye.

I don't remember giving you permission to leave the board!!!!!!!!.

First Sidd left, and I was still trying to formulate his punishment and then Penske left. My operatives will hit him right after Sidd. It may take me a while, but if you leave I will get you also. My recommendation is that you don't make the same mistake as Sidd and Penske. They will soon regret their decision.

Don't force my hand. I don't want to have to get nasty in the Holiday season.