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Old 05-07-2004, 04:46 PM   #856
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OK. Thanks to some updated santeria rituals and the timely intervention of a higher power, my powers of moderation have been restored. So there'll be no more of that foolishness that went on my absence. You know who you are.
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Old 05-08-2004, 02:48 PM   #857
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Cooley Defections

I have it on fairly good authority that there are several groups at Cooley that are about to jump ship. Any word?
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Old 05-09-2004, 02:35 PM   #858
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Look, you. I don't know how many times I've warned you stop with this spamming, but enough is enough. What about the children?
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Old 05-10-2004, 02:49 PM   #859
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Schadenfreude

Littler and client hit with $88,000 in discovery sanctions following mistrial.

You can imagine how the convo went drawing up the witness list.

"Hey, did we ever disclose these 22 guys in our form rog responses?"

"Um, just a sec. [Pause.] No."

"Okay. Whatever."
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Old 05-12-2004, 03:23 AM   #860
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Question Long time gone . . .

Hi, All, It's been at least a year since I've even checked out the board. Surprised I'm still a member.

Okay, I admit it, I'm staff, not a lawyer, but you guys are the best for the real info.

What's the view of Morgan Lewis among associates?

Also, is there any SV firm that still treats its associates and staff like humans and not slave labor?

Thanks so very very much!
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Old 05-12-2004, 11:52 AM   #861
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Long time gone . . .

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Hi, All, It's been at least a year since I've even checked out the board. Surprised I'm still a member.

Okay, I admit it, I'm staff, not a lawyer, but you guys are the best for the real info.

What's the view of Morgan Lewis among associates?

Also, is there any SV firm that still treats its associates and staff like humans and not slave labor?

Thanks so very very much!
Are you asking because you're still at work at midnight?
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Old 05-12-2004, 12:19 PM   #862
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Long time gone . . .

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Also, is there any SV firm that still treats its associates and staff like humans and not slave labor?
I doubt you'll get a good answer to that question from attorneys, who all are probably sure that they're above average. It doesn't take a whole lot of disrespect to ruin a day.
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Old 05-12-2004, 03:02 PM   #863
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Gene Crew asks for $3,000/hr in MSFT case fee petition. The overall request is for $258 million; T&T&C's portion merely represents a 5x multiple on their hourly rates.

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"No client would pay any lawyer or paralegal at those rates, and this court should not order Microsoft to do so," Microsoft attorney Robert Rosenfeld said.

Rosenfeld said the case was simple because of the federal antitrust case against the software maker.

"Although class counsel would have had difficulty proving that plaintiffs were overcharged, their ability to piggyback on prior proceedings significantly increased the likelihood of a settlement," Rosenfeld said.
Never thought I'd ever agree with anything a MSFT lawyer said, but there's a first time for everything.
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Old 05-12-2004, 09:08 PM   #864
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Gene Crew asks for $3,000/hr in MSFT case fee petition. The overall request is for $258 million; T&T&C's portion merely represents a 5x multiple on their hourly rates.



Never thought I'd ever agree with anything a MSFT lawyer said, but there's a first time for everything.
$18 million of coupons for Microsoft products can last quite a while.
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Old 05-13-2004, 12:05 PM   #865
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East Coast Invasion

If I wanted to work these hours I'd be a lawyer. I have a much reduced lifestyle because I wanted a life.

Mostly, I'd like to know what the associates think, if any of them post here. The ones I've talked to personally are mostly not happy.
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Old 05-17-2004, 09:12 PM   #866
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Paralegal Jobs Near Fresno?

A good friend of mine is a paralegal (currently living out of state) and is moving to the Fresno area (don't ask) in the next 2 weeks. Does anyone know of any paralegal jobs open there, or of any online or print resources (besides the Fresno Bee) that might be good to check out?


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Old 05-18-2004, 06:27 PM   #867
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going in-house at Google

This is from yesterday's Recorder:

Knockin' on Google's Door
Going in-house at the hottest company around isn't easy


Alexei Oreskovic
The Recorder
05-18-2004

For months, the hype and hopes generated by Google's impending public stock offering have captivated the world's attention.

Closer to home, the Internet company has cast a spell on the legal profession, with local lawyers eyeing a cubicle in its Mountain View, Calif., offices the way law school students covet a clerkship at the Supreme Court.

The allure of working at the world's most popular Internet search company, and the stock option riches expected to come with it, have made Google's legal department the hottest job for an attorney in Silicon Valley.

But although the company is on a hiring spree, actively taking steps to grow its army of in-house lawyers, getting in at Google remains a challenge. Even attorneys with top-shelf credentials, and connections inside the company, report getting the cold shoulder.

With resumes pouring into its offices, Google has hired its own in-house legal recruiter to oversee attorney hiring, a practice that other recruiters say is virtually unheard of.

Anne Kerwin, the Menlo Park, Calif., recruiter who is working for Google, could not be reached for comment. Some recruiters in the region estimate that Kerwin is likely receiving hundreds of resumes for each open position at the company.

Attorneys are "very interested in the possibility of being in one of the last great startup companies -- to relive a little of the boom," says one associate who knows several people who have applied for jobs at Google.

Indeed, tales of friends and colleagues applying for a job at Google have already become ingrained in the Valley's legal folklore. Typically, the stories do not have happy endings.

One associate at a Bay Area firm recounts making two separate attempts to get a job at Google. The first time, the associate mailed his resume in response to an ad the company had posted and heard nothing back. Months later, after learning that an attorney he worked with at his previous firm was in house at Google, he tried again. Once more, his efforts failed to yield so much as an interview.

Another associate at a large Silicon Valley firm got the brush-off after advancing relatively deep into the interview process.

"I went through a couple of rounds before getting dinged," laments the associate, who graduated from a law school within the top five of the U.S. News & World Report rankings.

Demand obviously outstrips supply. But the company's legal department is nevertheless expanding at a singular pace.

"Every time I turn around there's a new lawyer," says Carmen Chang, a partner at Shearman & Sterling's Menlo Park office who represents Google in Asia.

A Google spokesperson declined to comment for the story, refusing even to divulge the headcount in the company's legal department, citing the Securities and Exchange Commission's pre-IPO quiet period. Some estimate the legal department currently counts about 40 attorneys.

Google's Web site lists seven open attorney positions, including jobs in corporate, intellectual property, litigation and even a European policy counsel. While some in-house attorneys work as generalists, Google seems to favor a more regimented division of labor, requiring a greater number of attorneys to staff various practice areas.

As the company prepares to go public, it has all the legal needs of a major corporation, in addition to a unique set of circumstances.

Google's search-based advertising service, which accounted for 95 percent of the company's revenue in 2003, faces a number of crucial legal tests. Several companies have sued Google, alleging that its practice of linking keyword search results to advertisements violates their trademarks.

And Overture Services, now owned by Yahoo Inc., has also sued Google on the grounds that the search-based advertising service infringes on its patent.

"They're going to have some real legal challenges going forward," says David Moyer, an intellectual property litigator at San Francisco's Wineberg, Simmonds & Narita. "They will keep a lot of litigators busy as well as deal lawyers."

Joining the Google team is a long process. A successful candidate can go through as many as six rounds of interviews before getting hired.

"They're very picky and selective about the types of personality they're looking for," said the associate who was rejected after several rounds of interviews, noting that the company seemed particularly interested in ensuring that an applicant "will mesh with their team."

The cultural fit of a job applicant, of course, is not exactly unheard of at law firms. But at Google, it is apparently of prime importance.

The company prides itself on its culture and lifestyle, and its corporate Web site is replete with details about the rich intellectual discourse that its diverse employees engage in, the small-company feel and the on-site Google Cafe.

"Practice law Google-style," reads the section of Google's Web site dedicated to its legal recruiting. "Come work at a place where you can help define precedents, rather than just follow them."

Julie Brush, the co-founder of legal recruiting firm Solutus Legal Search, says the company is also known as very credential-conscious, both in terms of law schools and work experience.

But, she adds, Google can afford to be picky.

"They're very attractive to a lot people," says Brush. "When you're in that situation, you're in a position where you can be very selective about who you bring on and the criteria, and you also have some leverage with regard to the compensation you pay people, especially mid to lower level."

A lower salary is outweighed by the lure of stock options in a company whose IPO is expected to give the company a market value of at least $20 billion.

It's unclear whether every attorney at the company automatically receives stock options as part of the compensation package. The company's Web site notes that new employees are recommended for stock options, the price of which is based on the fair market value as determined by the board of directors.

Of course, stock option grants at this late stage in the company's development are likely not as generous as those given to earlier hires.

And as enchanting as the Google siren call is, some note that it's only drawing a limited segment of attorneys.

Unlike during the dot-com boom when lawyers from all practices abandoned their firms for the promise of in-house riches, the current desire to work at Google appears largely limited to attorneys with a focus on IP and technology companies.

With memories of stock market losses still fresh, the general populace of law firm attorneys remains wary of in-house dreams.

Even among tech-centric attorneys there is skepticism. The associate whose colleagues interviewed with Google notes that many left with a bad taste in their mouth, turned off by what seemed to be a disorganized, Wild West environment within the legal department.

Moreover, the company's vaunted culture and lifestyle hold less appeal since many attorneys expect things will change once the company becomes publicly owned.

"What you're buying into now is not what it's going to be a year from now," the associate said.
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Old 05-18-2004, 09:13 PM   #868
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This is from yesterday's Recorder:

Knockin' on Google's Door
Going in-house at the hottest company around isn't easy


Alexei Oreskovic
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05-18-2004

For months, the hype and hopes generated by Google's impending public stock offering have captivated the world's attention.

etc.
Why would anybody want to work there now?
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Old 05-18-2004, 11:06 PM   #869
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Why would anybody want to work there now?
Ask Alex_de_Large. Sounds like a cool place to work, though.
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Old 05-19-2004, 10:37 AM   #870
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Ask Alex_de_Large. Sounds like a cool place to work, though.
Well the massages look pretty good, but the article made it sound like lawyers thought they would get rich quick there. Any options they get will be at or just below the IPO price.
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