Making Baby Jesus Cry

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
The world according to Penske: Anyone who believes in the right to abortion is "a culturalist of death."

Of course, Penske does not believe that "society's interest in protecting the unborn life outweigh's the mother's rights."

Go figure. (I figure that Penske is so full of shit that his eyes fart, but whatever.)

Nice Sidd, always make it personal. Scatologically. Really classless and puerile. Congrats, the Clintons have taught you well.

What's so hard to understand, I am against abortion on demand to the extent it now exists and think the law should reflect a greater requirement for personal responsibility. I do not think a 5 day fetus' rights trump those of the mother. At some point I think society's interest shifts from protecting the right of privacy (where is that one again) of the mother to protecting the right to life of the unborn child. I would say that line is about at the end of the first trimester.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Because the fucking Nazis got all the Jews before they could get any. It's like when your brother eats all the cookies.


ETA: (On second thought, this might be too offensive to post.)

Not when put in the context of Arafat winning the Nobel Peace prize. The concept of "offensive" in the day and age of the modern liberals' Multicultural World of PC has been turned on its head. The Jews are the criminals and the facists and the terrorist childkillers are the celebrated victims.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Gonzales is a silly nomination because it'll create another consent-required nomination to fill? Or because there'll be "more smearing" from the Dems during Gonzales hearings?

Oh, c'mon. You don't like Gonzales for other reasons, I'm sure. Pointing to this one as a reason to avoid nominating him makes little sense.

Bush owes the right wing a nominee. Its time to pay the piper. Janice Rodgers Brown. Specter should be very happy.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
1. No, the issue just wasn't explicitly teed up until Griswold. Like I said, privacy was always implied, logically - obviously.

That is overly empirical for me. Could you give me a little bit of an intangible assumption ladenb analysis?

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield

4. Gonzales is a perfect candidate. The Dems have to take him because he's as centrist as they'll get. Thats why I like him. He's as closse to a Rockefeller Republican as we'll see.

And that is why the right hates him. Bush owes us. The time has come to pony up cowboy!

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
I absolutely love that magazine -- just have no time to read it anymore.

S_A_M

A man with taste. It is tough to keep up. The way I deal with it is I make it my only source of news.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Bush owes the right wing a nominee. Its time to pay the piper. Janice Rodgers Brown. Specter should be very happy.

Save a couple of anti-gay groups, the Right Wing has been just short of wetting-the-bed-excited about Roberts. You think this guy isn't their nominee?

[SlaveNoMore]

sebastian_dangerfield
So you're suggesting Slave is a closet social consservative who doesn't like Gonzales because Alberto is soft on baby-killers?

Hmmm. I don't think Slave has ever stated what his personal view is on a woman's right to choose. What is that, Slave? What's your opinion on whether a woman has a right to choose? No politics. I just want to know if you think abortion is "murder" and/or women don't have the right to control their reproductive systems.

I told you mine - I think abortion is a lamentable necessity, and a right women must have in a free society.

I've said mine a million times - again, as a practice, early abortion is absolutely fine*

And if the voters of New York want to give them away for free and if the people of Alabama want to make them an offense punishable by death - who am I to say otherwise.



* I have a disdain for late-term abortions. What the fuck are you waiting for? Like Nike said, Just Do It.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
So you're suggesting Slave is a closet social consservative who doesn't like Gonzales because Alberto is soft on baby-killers?

Hmmm. I don't think Slave has ever stated what his personal view is on a woman's right to choose. What is that, Slave? What's your opinion on whether a woman has a right to choose? No politics. I just want to know if you think abortion is "murder" and/or women don't have the right to control their reproductive systems.

I told you mine - I think abortion is a lamentable necessity, and a right women must have in a free society.

I think that, other than in cases of rape, it is an off putting act of irresponsibility, but that, for now (until science outpaces this equation), it should be legal, on demand, through the end of the first trimester. After that, illegal, except in the case where there is not yet viability and allowing the pregnancy to go forward will result in imminent material physical harm ot the mother.

[SlaveNoMore]

Gattigap
I think that's why it's objectionable to (radical) Islamists at best.

Right?

Don't be so sure. There are plenty of muslims who don;t reach that "islamist" level who still want to see the jews pushed into the sea.

Like 90% of Egypt, for instance.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky
A man with taste. It is tough to keep up. The way I deal with it is I make it my only source of news.

How about the Journal?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Save a couple of anti-gay groups, the Right Wing has been just short of wetting-the-bed-excited about Roberts. You think this guy isn't their nominee?

Ann Coulter?

Roberts is fine, but he's no Scalia.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I think that, other than in cases of rape, it is an off putting act of irresponsibility, but that, for now (until science outpaces this equation), it should be legal, on demand, through the end of the first trimester. After that, illegal, except in the case where there is not yet viability and allowing the pregnancy to go forward will result in imminent material physical harm ot the mother.

that's under our current Roe-based system. If it went back to the States where it should be, I am fine with each state defining it as the electorate of the State sees fit. If I were a woman I would probably choose to live in a State per the above, but I am not so it is not my most important criteria for residence, although I have a feeling WA would not be too far away from the above construct.

[SlaveNoMore]

SlaveNoMore
I've said mine a million times - again, as a practice, early abortion is absolutely fine*

I've also said a million times that I also believe that, so long as there is this "right to abortion", then equal protection must allow a putative father the right to require an abortion - or alternately have the option of waiving all future obligations of child support.

This argument doesn't have as much popular support. Yet.

[SlaveNoMore]

sgtclub
I'm actually OK with something like this, although not for that reason. But there's no reason that the holocaust needs to be singled out as a day of rememberance. Include all genocides, including Rewanda and Darfur, and call it something like "Genocide Remembrance Day."

We could call it "The UN is a toothless, ineffective, piece of shit day"

I can see the Hallmark cards already:

outside: "Kofi says Fuck You!!!!"

inside: "Hope your family didn't get slaughtered this year. Happy UN is a toothless, ineffective, piece of shit day"

[Spanky]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I say bollocks to that.

I may spell labor and defense wrong somtimes from reading to much print from England but at least I don't use their phrases.

Sebstian - have you been reading the Economist again?