Waiting for Fitzgerald

[Captain]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Spanky, you hurt me -- and do no justice to several fine posters. In any event, as to Penske it depends on how his meds are working that day and for Hank, the lunar cycle.

S_A_M

I, too, am deeply hurt.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Gattigap
11:30pm, Tue. HBOS. Check it out.

Here's a preview:

"Scalito's America is a land in which women would be forced into back-alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens' doors in midnight raids, children could not be taught about evolution........"

After that he is going to smash a succession of watermelons with his penis.

The dems have a highly refined sense of satirical humour.

[nononono]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
The old mean Hank would ask you if you don't really like them, IRL.

Wait, I thought you were being mean for the rest of the year.

But even if I said I love them like lollipops and have a piuc of one as my screensaver, that still wouldn't mean I'd have to be a girl, now, would it?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
what are the names of some newer magazines? I'll go back and edit.

It's all internet based. Most of the guys in my lockerroom like trannysurprise.com, firsttimemanlove.com and their sister sites.

[nononono]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
they appreciate honesty? Pictures=truth in advertising. [hi hank!] there is a lot of self-serving hyperbole on the internet.[/hi hank!]

the pictures separate the wheat from the chaff, sts.

Fine, fine, but that's still "honesty" (aka, bragging, aka, sometimes delusional) about something men (generalizing) think is the most important, not necessarily women.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
We need a CIA doing things we don't know about. Scrutiny of the CIA in the 70s and 80s killed it.

Of what benefit is it to hide the existence of interrogation prisons other than to avoid international scrutiny? This isn't covert ops, which are, understandably, covert. Once you've caught them and are interrogating them all but the information gleaned can be public without serious threat to intelligence gathering efforts.

But maybe what you're saying is that torture is justified in these circumstances.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
The supermajority of American patriots would just as soon see the terrorists summarily executed after we extract the info by any means necessary.

Sure, as would I. But I take a somewhat longer view that the lex talionis perhaps is quite costly in the long run. As much as I'd like to kill anyone who raped my wife immediately, I recognize that as a civilization of civilized people we actually are better off by committing that responsibility to the state.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by nononono
Fine, fine, but that's still "honesty" (aka, bragging, aka, sometimes delusional) about something men (generalizing) think is the most important, not necessarily women.

Not having engaged in the commercial opportunities that Craigslist offers, my guess is that for a "nsa afternoon delite asap" the contents of those pictures are more relevant than "favourite colour" and "hobbies/interests".

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
We need a CIA doing things we don't know about. Scrutiny of the CIA in the 70s and 80s killed it.

Some things, yes, but I think not this thing.

I called this on the Board over a year ago, and am glad this is getting more publicity now. [The revelation that we ("the OGA") hid some prisoners at Abu Ghraib from the ICRC was a huge clue.] I'm also very glad that this stuff makes some members of the Agency (and many members of the FBI and the military) upset and uncomfortable.

In order to ultimately preserve the freedoms we cherish -- and to avoid the sort of dictatorship that Penske babbles about -- we must have our ideals (democratic and human rights, etc.) instilled in those who serve in our nation's military and security organs. After all, it is ultimately that self-restraint, and the acceptance of civilian oversight and control, among those agencies which prevent such a dictatorship.

This is not what my family members and I served and/or fought for. If it continues unchecked, the day will come when I no longer recognize my country.

S_A_M

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Of what benefit is it to hide the existence of interrogation prisons other than to avoid international scrutiny? This isn't covert ops, which are, understandably, covert. Once you've caught them and are interrogating them all but the information gleaned can be public without serious threat to intelligence gathering efforts.

But maybe what you're saying is that torture is justified in these circumstances.

what's the benefit, other than Q ratings in France?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Sure, as would I. But I take a somewhat longer view that the lex talionis perhaps is quite costly in the long run. As much as I'd like to kill anyone who raped my wife immediately, I recognize that as a civilization of civilized people we actually are better off by committing that responsibility to the state.

In war, if an enemy combatant shoots your wife on the battlefield, it's okay to shoot back.

Also, I am fairly certain that it is the State that is running the black sites.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Here's a preview:

"Scalito's America is a land in which women would be forced into back-alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens' doors in midnight raids, children could not be taught about evolution........"

After that he is going to smash a succession of watermelons with his penis.

The dems have a highly refined sense of satirical humour.

Actually, I was referring to Carlin's unforgettable role as Eddie in The Prince of Tides. From what I can tell, Hank is divining Democratic talking points from the rich fabric of Tom Wingo's tortured psyche.

[nononono]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Not having engaged in the commercial opportunities that Craigslist offers, my guess is that for a "nsa afternoon delite asap" the contents of those pictures are more relevant than "favourite colour" and "hobbies/interests".

Good point, sts, npi.

Though I really can't imagine looking at one of those pictures and thinking, oh, I want *that* and who cares what it's attached to.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Some things, yes, but I think not this thing.

I called this on the Board over a year ago, and am glad this is getting more publicity now. [The revelation that we ("the OGA") hid some prisoners at Abu Ghraib from the ICRC was a huge clue.] I'm also very glad that this stuff makes some members of the Agency (and many members of the FBI and the military) upset and uncomfortable.

In order to ultimately preserve the freedoms we cherish -- and to avoid the sort of dictatorship that Penske babbles about -- we must have our ideals (democratic and human rights, etc.) instilled in those who serve in our nation's military and security organs. After all, it is ultimately that self-restraint, and the acceptance of civilian oversight and control, among those agencies which prevent such a dictatorship.

This is not what my family members and I served and/or fought for. If it continues unchecked, the day will come when I no longer recognize my country.

S_A_M

Much as the Founders would not recognize our country of today after generations of liberal defilement and destruction of our institutions and ideals.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Much as the Founders would not recognize our country of today after generations of liberal defilement and destruction of our institutions and ideals.

Wouldn't recognize the country -- true. But some of them would like that we abolished slavery.

I keep telling you P -- two blue pills and one red in the morning. ONE red.

S_A_M