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Old 09-09-2005, 02:54 PM   #4366
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Too bad you didn't post that plea earlier in the week, before we were all subjected to countless Penske rants and Photoshopped images of buses.
the bus pictures were not phottoshopped as the MSM has already acknowledged, dumbass.
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Old 09-09-2005, 02:54 PM   #4367
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Yes, when they bring Nagin to the hearings in shackles.

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Ye reap what ye sow.

I was holding it back like a Flemish farm boy with a finger plugging the levee.
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Old 09-09-2005, 02:55 PM   #4368
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Bush couldn't call an evacuation. Nagin was managing the logistics on the ground and was the best person for the job. Plus the 2000 plan didn't call for planes, it called for buses.
Bush has the power and has even used it twice in his administration. Apparently this time wasn't as important.

Come on, stop making excuses for him just because he's an R.

You want some other things he had the power to do and didn't:

Mobilize the military.
Mobilize federal workers. Brown asked for 1000 people to do PR duty 6 hours after the storm was over. That's it.
Issue orders to that boat in the Gulf.
Open barracks on federal military bases.
Approve Blanco's requests to deploy several states' national guardsmen promptly - it took 3 to 4 days!

Why didn't he do it. And what about the planes!
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Old 09-09-2005, 02:56 PM   #4369
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You wail on for days about the buses. First I want to hear your OUTRAGE over the planes. WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE?

Bush is sitting in DC canning his lackeys to gain cover, and you guys are here playing stooges and diverting blame, WHEN HE HAD THE POWER TO LET PEOPLE GET OUT.

Listen to the TV. People who WANTED TO GET OUT didn't because the airport was closed. THEY WERE THERE BECAUSE OF BUSH.

LET'S HEAR THE OUTRAGE.

But, I know, you're giving him a free pass because he's an R. You, Spanky, Penske and your crew. Come on guys, let's hear the outrage!
The plane thing sounds troubling, if true, I would like to get more information. Do you have a cite to respectable media like CBS or the NYTimes? Or Al Jazeera?
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Old 09-09-2005, 02:58 PM   #4370
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Bush has the power and has even used it twice in his administration. Apparently this time wasn't as important.

Come on, stop making excuses for him just because he's an R.

You want some other things he had the power to do and didn't:

Mobilize the military.
Mobilize federal workers. Brown asked for 1000 people to do PR duty 6 hours after the storm was over. That's it.
Issue orders to that boat in the Gulf.
Open barracks on federal military bases.
Approve Blanco's requests to deploy several states' national guardsmen promptly - it took 3 to 4 days!

Why didn't he do it. And what about the planes!
This sounds troubling, if true, I would like to get more information. Do you have a cite to respectable media like CBS or the NYTimes? Or Al Jazeera?
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Old 09-09-2005, 02:58 PM   #4371
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The plane thing sounds troubling, if true, I would like to get more information. Do you have a cite to respectable media like CBS or the NYTimes? Or Al Jazeera?
Can't he just print his post? That would make it print journalism and then Ty says we have to believe it.
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Old 09-09-2005, 02:59 PM   #4372
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Can't he just print his post? That would make it print journalism and then Ty says we have to believe it.
I think it has to be cited on the DailyKos as well. Or the DU.
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Old 09-09-2005, 03:01 PM   #4373
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This sounds troubling, if true, I would like to get more information. Do you have a cite to respectable media like CBS or the NYTimes? Or Al Jazeera?
Try reading the National Response Plan on FEMA's website for starters. I tell you what. I'll get you three such articles for every one you deliver on the buses.

What about the planes!
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Old 09-09-2005, 03:04 PM   #4374
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the bus pictures were not phottoshopped as the MSM has already acknowledged, dumbass.
What do you call this, dumbass?
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Old 09-09-2005, 03:06 PM   #4375
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Interesting article about assigning blame by Charles Krauthammer. Not partisan enough for anyone here though I assume.

Assigning blame


In less enlightened times, there was no catastrophe independent of human agency. When the plague or some other natural disaster struck, witches were burned, Jews were massacred and all felt better (except the witches and Jews).

A few centuries later, our progressive thinkers have progressed not an inch. No fall of a sparrow on this planet is not attributed to sin and human perfidy. The three current favorites are: (1) global warming, (2) the war in Iraq and (3) tax cuts. Katrina hits and the unholy trinity is immediately invoked to damn sinner-in-chief George W. Bush.

This kind of stupidity merits no attention whatsoever, but I'll give it a paragraph. There is no relationship between global warming and the frequency and intensity of Atlantic hurricanes. Period. The problem with the evacuation of New Orleans is not that National Guardsmen in Iraq could not get to New Orleans, but that National Guardsmen in Louisiana did not get to New Orleans. As for the Bush tax cuts, administration budget requests for New Orleans flood control during the five Bush years exceed that of the five preceding Clinton years. The notion that the allegedly missing revenues would have been spent wisely by Congress, targeted precisely to the levees of New Orleans, and reconstruction would have been completed in time, is a threefold fallacy. The argument ends when you realize that, as The Washington Post notes, ``the levees that failed were already completed projects."

Let's be clear. The author of this calamity was, first and foremost, Nature (or if you prefer, Nature's God). The suffering was augmented, aided and abetted in descending order of culpability by the following:

1. The mayor of New Orleans. He knows the city. He knows the danger. He knows that during Hurricane Georges in 1998, the use of the Superdome was a disaster and fully two-thirds of the residents never got out of the city. Nothing was done. He declared a mandatory evacuation only 24 hours before Hurricane Katrina hit. He did not even declare a voluntary evacuation until the day before that, at 5 p.m. At that time, he explained that he needed to study his legal authority to call a mandatory evacuation and was hesitating to do so lest the city be sued by hotels and other businesses.

2. The Louisiana governor. It's her job to call up the National Guard and get it to where it has to go. Where the Guard was in the first few days is a mystery. Indeed, she issued an authorization for the National Guard to commandeer school buses to evacuate people on Wednesday afternoon -- more than two days after the hurricane hit and after much of the fleet had already drowned in its parking lots.

3. The head of FEMA. Late, slow and in way over his head. On Thursday he says on national television that he didn't even know there were people in the Convention Center, when anybody watching television could see them there destitute and desperate. Maybe in his vast bureaucracy he can assign three 20-year-olds to watch cable news and give him updates every hour on what in hell is going on.

4. The president. Late, slow and simply out of tune with the urgency and magnitude of the disaster. The second he heard that the levees had been breached in New Orleans, he should have canceled his schedule and addressed the country on national television to mobilize it both emotionally and physically to assist in the disaster. His flyover on the way to Washington was the worst possible symbolism. And his Friday visit was so tone-deaf and politically disastrous that he had to fly back three days later.

5. Congress. Now as always playing holier-than-thou. Perhaps it might ask itself who created the Department of Homeland Security in the first place. The congressional response to all crises is the same -- rearrange the bureaucratic boxes, but be sure to add one extra layer. The last four years of DHS have been spent principally on bureaucratic reorganization (and real estate) instead of, say, a workable plan for as predictable a disaster as a Gulf Coast hurricane.

6. The American people. They have made it impossible for any politician to make any responsible energy policy over the last 30 years -- but that is a column for another day. Now is not the time for constructive suggestions. Now is the time for blame, recriminations and sheer astonishment. Mayor Nagin has announced that, as bodies are still being found and as a public health catastrophe descends upon the city, he is sending 60 percent of his cops on city funds for a little R&R, mostly to Vegas hotels. Asked if it was appropriate to party in these circumstances, he responded: ``New Orleans is a party town. Get over it.''

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/c...20050909.shtml

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Try reading the National Response Plan on FEMA's website for starters. I tell you what. I'll get you three such articles for every one you deliver on the buses.

What about the planes!
The planes thing sounds troubling, if true, I would like to get more information. Do you have a cite to respectable media like CBS or the NYTimes? Or Al Jazeera?
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What do you call this, dumbass?
Intelligent Design.
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Old 09-09-2005, 03:23 PM   #4378
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Interesting article about assigning blame by Charles Krauthammer. Not partisan enough for anyone here though I assume.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/c...20050909.shtml

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Right on.

I'd flip flop 4 and 5, and he should have noted Landrieu specifically for her violations of federal statutes, but other than that it is the defining analysis of the disaster.
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Old 09-09-2005, 03:28 PM   #4379
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The planes thing sounds troubling, if true, I would like to get more information. Do you have a cite to respectable media like CBS or the NYTimes? Or Al Jazeera?
Like I said, I'll give you three such articles for everyone one you find on the buses.

Or, you can just google.

So where's that article?
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Old 09-09-2005, 03:39 PM   #4380
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There is no relationship between global warming and the frequency and intensity of Atlantic hurricanes. Period.
I'll give him frequency, but the intensity bit doesn't make sense.

http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/~tk/glob_warm_hurr.html
 
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