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05-05-2004, 06:05 PM
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#3556
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Flyover land
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Originally posted by The Larry Davis Experience
I'm pretty confused by your reply, which usually is a result of my own failures in articulating myself in the earlier post.
My point was just that it could be in the public interest to zone for density for reasons other than preserving low-density housing and wealth for the haves. The transit corridor idea to me resembled more the zoning for environmental reasons that you or somebody else earlier said was ok. As in, yes you probably lose some fraction of your property's value because of the regs, but all of the city gains value by avoiding enviro hazards in residential areas on the one hand or sprawling single family housing developments chewing up the open spaces and snarling traffic on the other.
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No, no, my post was not really responsive because I'm kinda sick of the discussion. Obviously, not sick enough to shut my yap.
And, there are going to be externalities. Those addicted to McMansions but averse to commuting from a whole different city aren't going to live in the city that zones how you are discussing (or, fewer of them will). And stuff. Don't make me start on how state lines should be redrawn to correspond with drainage basin areas in order to have effective water use and environmental controls.
Hank!!! STP!!! Call me Ms. Externali-TAY because I voted with my feet. Though, I don't think LA has rent control and I wouldn't live there, either. Too expensive. Not worth it.
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05-05-2004, 06:08 PM
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#3557
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Flyover land
Posts: 19,042
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I need to have sex or my head hurts. How come woman get to say no?
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Get a Sapphire Seductress.* Problem solved.
*Also comes in other fashion colors: Ruby Rub-Me, Onyx Onanist and Emerald Embracer. Pinky Pork-Me on sale, 1/2 price.
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05-05-2004, 06:08 PM
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#3558
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I'm getting there!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: A different kind of den.
Posts: 41
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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Don't make me start on how state lines should be redrawn to correspond with drainage basin areas in order to have effective water use and environmental controls.
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I'm willing to listen to that little diatribe only if you promise to tell stories about rafting the Colorado River.
Am thinking you should use this ^
as your new avatar.
Just a suggestion.
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05-05-2004, 06:09 PM
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#3559
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Random Syndicate (admin)
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Romantically enfranchised
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Originally posted by ltl/fb
There's plenty of people 'round here. We're just all sprawled out on our minimum half-acre, can't divide your lot, properties. (Yes, I know the punctuation/grammar in that last sentence is fucked.)
Seriously, I guess I always kinda thought you could build smaller than what is zoned for, but not larger. But, I don't care. If the goal is a free market, buh-bye zoning.
ETA by "smaller" I mean "less dense." Like, that there are minimum lot sizes or maximum # of people who can live in a given unit, but not maximum lot sizes or minimum # of people who can live in a given unit.
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Hmph. In my neighborhood, it's the yuppy scum that pay $600K plus for a poorly constructed "custom luxury townhome" that's one of six units on two lots, driving the property taxes sky high and making the longtime residents of the 1200 sqft 1930something bungalows with that move away. And parking is a bitch now, because curbs no longer exist; it's one driveway after another to the Perry* Homes townhomes. Brick front, aluminum siding.
*Largest Republican donor in the state of Texas at $5.2M. He says that he has no influence on the legislature at all.
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05-05-2004, 06:11 PM
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#3560
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Hello, Dum-Dum.
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 10,117
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Put down the poutine and pick up a goddamn cigarette, quick!
Canada's shitty public health care system: A bad place for heart attacks, but a good place for cancer.
Personally, I'd guess the U.S. cardiac death rate would skyrocket to Canadian levels if our entire fucking nation consisted of Minnesota fatties.
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05-05-2004, 06:12 PM
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#3561
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Too Good For Post Numbers
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 65,535
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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Hmph. In my neighborhood, it's the yuppy scum that pay $600K plus for a poorly constructed "custom luxury townhome" that's one of six units on two lots, driving the property taxes sky high and making the longtime residents of the 1200 sqft 1930something bungalows with that move away.
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But as the owner of that bungalow, don't you realize a huge capital gain? So that your real discomfort is somewhat tempered by a fistfull of bucks?
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05-05-2004, 06:14 PM
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#3562
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Too Good For Post Numbers
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 65,535
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Put down the poutine and pick up a goddamn cigarette, quick!
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Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Personally, I'd guess the U.S. cardiac death rate would skyrocket to Canadian levels if our entire fucking nation consisted of Minnesota fatties.
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But it would be a Nicer place.
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05-05-2004, 06:14 PM
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#3563
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silver plated, underrated
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Davis Country
Posts: 627
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time to cut a check
Back when Ty was still calling himself Ty we had a little debate on here about GWB's deficit cutting claims in the State of the Union address and (among other things) how some of us thought it was pretty disingenuous to ignore the next supplemental appropriation for the Iraq project in making the statements.
I'm not looking to renew that earlier debate, but I thought it worth mentioning that it now looks as though that Iraq appropriation may be taken up before the election, ahead of schedule.
The admin is asking for $25 billion for next year, and it apparently is not clear whether they may need to ask for a supplemental appropriation to get them to the end of this year. Oh, and according to the article "It seemed likely that the $25 billion proposal would be only the first portion of funds that will be needed for next year."
On the same score I will say that I am impressed that the admin holding the line on the highway bill, although that seems like a strange dynamic to me with the House committee chair agitating for a bigger bill financed by an increase in the gas tax. Deficit spending is one thing, and as we all know Reagan showed that was OK, but an increase in taxes? Doesn't "Republican" mean anything these days?
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05-05-2004, 06:15 PM
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#3564
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Random Syndicate (admin)
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Romantically enfranchised
Posts: 14,278
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Quote:
Originally posted by bilmore
But as the owner of that bungalow, don't you realize a huge capital gain? So that your real discomfort is somewhat tempered by a fistfull of bucks?
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I'm not sure that anything can temper the discomfort of having yuppie scum in the neighborhood.
(I get the point, I just don't like seeing the once unique neighborhood turning into row after row of indistinquishable yuppie boxes.)
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05-05-2004, 06:16 PM
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#3565
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Proud Holder-Post 200,000
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Corner Office
Posts: 86,130
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Quote:
Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Hmph. In my neighborhood, it's the yuppy scum that pay $600K plus for a poorly constructed "custom luxury townhome" that's one of six units on two lots, driving the property taxes sky high and making the longtime residents of the 1200 sqft 1930something bungalows with that move away. And parking is a bitch now, because curbs no longer exist; it's one driveway after another to the Perry* Homes townhomes. Brick front, aluminum siding.
*Largest Republican donor in the state of Texas at $5.2M. He says that he has no influence on the legislature at all.
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170 years ago, people in your same area were making the same basic complaint, only in apache smoke signal, not anon. internet forums.
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05-05-2004, 06:17 PM
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#3566
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Flyover land
Posts: 19,042
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Put down the poutine and pick up a goddamn cigarette, quick!
Quote:
Originally posted by bilmore
But it would be a Nicer place.
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I could have SWORN you were from MN. How could I have gotten so confused?
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05-05-2004, 06:19 PM
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#3567
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I'm getting there!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: A different kind of den.
Posts: 41
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time to cut a check
Quote:
Originally posted by The Larry Davis Experience
On the same score I will say that I am impressed that the admin holding the line on the highway bill, although that seems like a strange dynamic to me with the House committee chair agitating for a bigger bill financed by an increase in the gas tax.
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Is this not a spectacle concocted for an election year? Good God, man -- where is your sense of cynicism?
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05-05-2004, 06:24 PM
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#3568
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Too Good For Post Numbers
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 65,535
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time to cut a check
Quote:
Originally posted by The Larry Davis Experience
Back when Ty was still calling himself Ty we had a little debate on here about GWB's deficit cutting claims in the State of the Union address and (among other things) how some of us thought it was pretty disingenuous to ignore the next supplemental appropriation for the Iraq project in making the statements.
. . .
The admin is asking for $25 billion for next year, and it apparently is not clear whether they may need to ask for a supplemental appropriation to get them to the end of this year. Oh, and according to the article "It seemed likely that the $25 billion proposal would be only the first portion of funds that will be needed for next year."
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Good timing, though. Wasn't it announced today that the deficit estimates just dropped for next year by $100 billion?
(A tax cut, and higher revenues? How could that be?)
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05-05-2004, 06:27 PM
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#3569
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Too Good For Post Numbers
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 65,535
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Quote:
Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I'm not sure that anything can temper the discomfort of having yuppie scum in the neighborhood.
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This might be one of those really painful awakenings.
You're Young. You're Urban. You're a Professional.
Okay, now think about those things for a minute . . . .
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05-05-2004, 06:28 PM
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#3570
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World Ruler
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 12,057
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Quote:
Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
170 years ago, people in your same area were making the same basic complaint, only in apache smoke signal, not anon. internet forums.
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RT's ancestors may have been the one's complaining. I'm not sure of their means of communication.
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