Making Baby Jesus Cry - Page 2

Penske_Account · 07-25-2005, 06:00 PM

is mine, until Burger gives me something else.

:dj:

Shape Shifter · 07-25-2005, 06:00 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
T-Rex:

"It's odd that you guys think we should take out Hussein, without regard to the poor prospects for replacing him with someone or something much better, but jump to that line when the subject is Pakistan. If we can install democracy in Iraq, why not Pakistan? Do you think Pakistanis are unready for democracy or something?"

Saddam Hussein was an evil nasty dictator that was against us. He was using all the power of a large state against our interests. In addition, he has a pretty educated population that is not overwhelmingly fundamentalist religious. Prior to his dictatorshiop it was a relatively affluent educated country. So there was a chance that Democracy could be better and not much of a chance of things getting worse. In addition, the majority of the population is Shiite so a government that forms there is unlikely to support Al Queda which hates Shiites as much as it hates the US.

Mushariff is a Pro-American dictator that is helping us on our war on terror. His population is highly uneducated, poor and full of relgious fanatics. If a national election were held a pro Al Queda government might get elected. Pakistan is the perfect example of why you need economic development before democracy. Pakistan needs to develop more economically before it will can establish a stable democracy. If it goes democratic before economic development is will probably just become a theocratic state.

Saddam Hussein's policies before and after the Gulf war were making the country poorer. So the long term chances of a stable democracy were nil. Mushariff has instituted free market reforms, that have led to growth, and which in the long run will lead to an affluent society that will lead to Democracy.

Or: Pakistan is a nation that supports and harbors terrorists. It actively supported the Taliban and OBL. Its official security agency, the ISI, commits and sponsors terrorist acts against one of our allies, India. It is led by a military dictatorship that seized power from a democratically elected government. Pakistan's record on human rights is one of the most asbysmal on the planet. Public education was virtually abandoned in favor of extremist Islamic madrasses (basically terrorist training camps), of which it is believed there exist about 40,000. Notable alumni include Mullah Omar and John Walker Lindh. Pakistan is a known nuclear power and has admitted to exporting nuclear materials and technology to regimes openly hostile to the U.S., most notably North Korea. OBL is currently believed to be operating in Western Pakistan. However, Pakistan refuses to allow U.S. troops to operate in the area to locate him.

Penske_Account · 07-25-2005, 06:01 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
T-Rex said:

"Spanky seems to think the UN is a good idea. I'm with him."

I don't know where you got this but actually I do think the UN is a good idea. Did a great job in Korea

2. I also think the horse and buggy and kerosene lantern were good ideas. they did a great job a couple of centuries ago.

07-25-2005, 06:01 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
is mine, until Burger gives me something else.

:dj:

Is Savvy misspelled intentinoally?

Shape Shifter · 07-25-2005, 06:03 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
is mine, until Burger gives me something else.

:dj:

I'm boycotting the board until you fix it.

Penske_Account · 07-25-2005, 06:04 PM

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Originally posted by paigowprincess
Is Savvy misspelled intentinoally?

Yes. Also, the term Savvy liberals" would be an oxymoron, and isn't that SS' title?

Penske_Account · 07-25-2005, 06:04 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I'm boycotting the board until you fix it.

Yes, obviously.

07-25-2005, 06:08 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Yes. Also, the term Savvy liberals" would be an oxymoron, and isn't that SS' title?

No. SS's title is "douchiest".

I am sure that Spanky is not appreciating my diluting the political content of this board. Call it an FB hangover if you like. I will take this movable feast to my new home.

sgtclub · 07-25-2005, 06:11 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
T-Rex said:

"Spanky seems to think the UN is a good idea. I'm with him."

I don't know where you got this but actually I do think the UN is a good idea. Did a great job in Korea and Gulf War I. I just think it needs to be reformed. I think it would be a tragic mistake to end the UN.

Mend it, Don't End it?

Not Bob · 07-25-2005, 06:17 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
T-Rex said:

Apropos of nothing, Mott the Hoople is now playing on my mental soundtrack.

Carry on.

Penske_Account · 07-25-2005, 06:25 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
Mend it, Don't End it?

Shake it (up)
don't break it
it took the liberals two world wars to make it!

Spanky · 07-25-2005, 06:27 PM

"I used to think these guys were cagey and operated on the same page. There appears to be a lot more confusion in this Admin than I thought. Clearly, the marching order memos aren't getting around. Or maybe they're smart enough to realize no one gives a damn what that fat twit says at press briefings?

The Bush Administration, confounding us for five years with the never ending curiosity.... "Lucky idiots or brilliant devious bastards?"

I think both. Perhaps they are divinely guided. If they are, lovely. God loves a scheming inmbecile. Maybe I will get to heaven after all..."

This White House is the most efficiently run White House in a political sense than we have had since Johnson. The people at the top have had a lot experience and good political instincts so that the White House operations are pretty good as far as holding in leaks and keeping things on message. However, having said that, the competition is almost nil. Every administrations white house operations have been crazy and disorganized, and this one is just a little bit better. My friends from the campaign that work at the White House say it is just "insane". I think the rule is that everyone who works or has ever worked at the White House never sleeps well again.

Spanky · 07-25-2005, 06:30 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Or: Pakistan is a nation that supports and harbors terrorists. It actively supported the Taliban and OBL. Its official security agency, the ISI, commits and sponsors terrorist acts against one of our allies, India. It is led by a military dictatorship that seized power from a democratically elected government. Pakistan's record on human rights is one of the most asbysmal on the planet. Public education was virtually abandoned in favor of extremist Islamic madrasses (basically terrorist training camps), of which it is believed there exist about 40,000. Notable alumni include Mullah Omar and John Walker Lindh. Pakistan is a known nuclear power and has admitted to exporting nuclear materials and technology to regimes openly hostile to the U.S., most notably North Korea. OBL is currently believed to be operating in Western Pakistan. However, Pakistan refuses to allow U.S. troops to operate in the area to locate him.

This may all be true. But Musharrif is the best we are going to get. We can't do better so we have to make do with what we have.

Spanky · 07-25-2005, 06:31 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
Mend it, Don't End it?

Exactly

Shape Shifter · 07-25-2005, 06:36 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
This may all be true. But Musharrif is the best we are going to get. We can't do better so we have to make do with what we have.

So the Pakistanis aren't ready for democracy?