Implanting Bill Gates's Micro-chips In Brains For Over 20 Years!

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Popped back in to see that this shit never changes. Figured it would be Sebby trying to do the work of Stephen Miller by conflating DEI work to something it is decidedly not. But this stupid shit coming from you isn’t surprising. Fucking ridiculous.

See you all in another however many years.

TM

Dupe.

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Popped back in to see that this shit never changes. Figured it would be Sebby trying to do the work of Stephen Miller by conflating DEI work to something it is decidedly not. But this stupid shit coming from you isn’t surprising. Fucking ridiculous.

See you all in another however many years.

TM

Like we will all be here. Something tells me that glassing Gaza and getting rid of TSA isn’t a winning combination.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

That's what I'm trying to understand. Why did you have to strip it? Can’t your organization just keep going as before?

Yes. He can't tell private companies to strip it.

Private companies touting the fact that they are stripping it are doing so to cozy up to the administration. I'll bet in many instances, they're doing what lots of other companies are doing - continuing a version of "DEI lite" or even DEI in full force, as it was before, just under different names, less overtly.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

We had to strip anything remotely DEI from our environment last year, and it was a complete and total nightmare given how much we emphasized diversity previously. (We're in one of the most diverse cities in the world. It's hard NOT to emphasize it.)

I suspect there is going to be a lot more discrimination/hostile work environment litigation because people are going to think that no DEI=carte blanche to be shitty to people based on sex, race, national origin, etc. Of course, I assume the EEOC will also be neutered, so maybe it will be harder to sue, but if I'm guessing the employment plaintiff's bar is going to eat well in the next few years.

YMMV, but I don't recall the EEOC doing much. It actually slows down cases by forcing one to exhaust admin remedies while waiting for a year for a right to sue letter.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

You’re explaining why they should stop. I’m asking why they had to.

Looks like Trump issued an EO that threatens if you don’t. Plus Texas probably has its own restrictions?

The mechanism for punishment is a debarment process (you're no longer allowed to contract with the US) or a withholding of fed grants. The govt couldn't come close to bringing debarment actions (admin regulatory court proceedings) like that against all companies employing DEI or DEI similar programs.

Of course, all this is based on Chevron era powers of regulatory agencies. Idk if that's been altered since Chevron deference was gutted by SCOTUS last year.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Popped back in to see that this shit never changes. Figured it would be Sebby trying to do the work of Stephen Miller by conflating DEI work to something it is decidedly not. But this stupid shit coming from you isn’t surprising. Fucking ridiculous.

See you all in another however many years.

TM

Well, he certainly had my position wrong. I don't think the govt should be for or against DEI in the private sector. DEI seems to me to be a thing in which companies can choose to engage, or not engage, with all the attendant risks that come with either decision.

Biden's efforts to push it in the private sector and Trump's to eliminate it in the private sector are both overreaches. The govt does not belong in the business of telling or even incentivizing business in the area of social engineering, in any direction.

DOGE looks like a shitshow, but narrowing the govt's scope of operations in stuff like this would be a refreshing improvement. If you like DEI, do DEI. If you don't, don't do DEI. Seems an entirely private sector thing. Govt has no place in it, and our tax dollars should not be spent in advocacy for or against it.

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Well, he certainly had my position wrong. I don't think the govt should be for or against DEI in the private sector. DEI seems to me to be a thing in which companies can choose to engage, or not engage, with all the attendant risks that come with either decision.

Biden's efforts to push it in the private sector and Trump's to eliminate it in the private sector are both overreaches. The govt does not belong in the business of telling or even incentivizing business in the area of social engineering, in any direction.

DOGE looks like a shitshow, but narrowing the govt's scope of operations in stuff like this would be a refreshing improvement. If you like DEI, do DEI. If you don't, don't do DEI. Seems an entirely private sector thing. Govt has no place in it, and our tax dollars should not be spent in advocacy for or against it.

Equality shouldn’t be voluntary. That’s what governments are for. To ensure people get equality under the law.

Want to get rid of DEI? Only when you have actual equal opportunity.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Surprised that so many people seem to be posting about where RT works without knowing where em works.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

Equality shouldn’t be voluntary. That’s what governments are for. To ensure people get equality under the law.

Want to get rid of DEI? Only when you have actual equal opportunity.

It would be easier to take criticisms of DEI at face value if the same people also ever said anything about the rank bigotry that often goes along with it. If there are people who are truly bothered by DEI out of a principled commitment to equality, you'd think the bigotry would bother them.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Well, he certainly had my position wrong. I don't think the govt should be for or against DEI in the private sector. DEI seems to me to be a thing in which companies can choose to engage, or not engage, with all the attendant risks that come with either decision.

Biden's efforts to push it in the private sector and Trump's to eliminate it in the private sector are both overreaches. The govt does not belong in the business of telling or even incentivizing business in the area of social engineering, in any direction.

DOGE looks like a shitshow, but narrowing the govt's scope of operations in stuff like this would be a refreshing improvement. If you like DEI, do DEI. If you don't, don't do DEI. Seems an entirely private sector thing. Govt has no place in it, and our tax dollars should not be spent in advocacy for or against it.

And this morning DOJ is threatening criminal prosecution of private companies engaging in DEI...

ETA: The all out assault on "DEI" is pretty astounding. Companies engaged in combination of marketing and typical HR cya are apparently and affront to equality now.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Adder

And this morning DOJ is threatening criminal prosecution of private companies engaging in DEI...

ETA: The all out assault on "DEI" is pretty astounding. Companies engaged in combination of marketing and typical HR cya are apparently and affront to equality now.

Brought to you by defenders of free speech and the First Amendment.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

Equality shouldn’t be voluntary. That’s what governments are for. To ensure people get equality under the law.

Want to get rid of DEI? Only when you have actual equal opportunity.

Define equality.

That notion can be expanded to include almost every aspect in which humans are unequal. You wind up in an absurdist world akin to Vonnegut's Harrison Bergeron. Sooner or later, someone will start arguing that being born rich is unfair, so nothing should be handed down to heirs. It gets nuts.

What should occur is discontinuance of things like legacy admissions. That unfairly steals seats from deserving candidates of less means.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Brought to you by defenders of free speech and the First Amendment.

We've entered a new level of zero sum game politics. This pendulum is going to be awful. Extremism met with extremism over and over.

Our politics is fundamentally fucked - warring factions of people who think everyone else ought to live how they think they ought to live. Fuck all of these people. Fuck anyone who has ever thought, "I think people ought to live [X] way." It's time we call those people what they are - anti-liberty, and pathologically deranged.

If you want to control what others do, You Are The Problem. Fuck you.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Adder

And this morning DOJ is threatening criminal prosecution of private companies engaging in DEI...

ETA: The all out assault on "DEI" is pretty astounding. Companies engaged in combination of marketing and typical HR cya are apparently and affront to equality now.

If you are hiring people based on racial/ethnic/sexual identity and not much else, this is problematic. But even then... is it any more problematic than hiring people based on their family connections? I'm having a hard time seeing a difference between hiring people because a company wants to improve the diversity of its workforce (even just as marketing) and hiring nepo babies or Senators' or CEOs' kids who are good for business reasons. Both are strategic choices based on a desire to improve the company.

Seems the govt should stay out of this, as all it can do is sow confusion and create annoying new rules and regulations that will help no one.

Threatening businesses with criminal charges is too ridiculous to dignify with a serious response. I have to put that in the bucket, with so many other recent missives, labeled: Shit Trump Knows He Cannot Do But Suggests to Bully/Troll Opponents.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

If you are hiring people based on racial/ethnic/sexual identity and not much else, this is problematic.

Having met people, and in particular business people, I know no one is doing that.

Threatening businesses with criminal charges is too ridiculous to dignify with a serious response. I have to put that in the bucket, with so many other recent missives, labeled: Shit Trump Knows He Cannot Do But Suggests to Bully/Troll Opponents.

Oh, Bondi is going to do it. I don't think she will be successful, but that is me still having some modicum of hope about the courts and nothing else.