Making Baby Jesus Cry

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Spanky
I don't misunderstand anything, except for the fact that you refer to budget issues when you have no clue to what you are talking about.

Oh, for God's sake. Do you kiss your Serbian with that mouth?

This isn't just a one year adjustment. The whole deficit forcast has been changed for the future. When you have a growing economy - and revenues go up- they permanently go up year after year.

See, and I thought when I said in my earlier post that I didn't "have time to look all that up, so I chose not to engage you on that particular point, but instead to make a snide comment about the Bush Administration's political cowardice in estimating what The Struggle For The Liberation of Iraqi Men (and perhaps some of the Women, if we're lucky) will cost us for the then-coming year," you would actually read it, and understand that I meant -- well -- that. Not the Unified Economic Democratic Strawman, to which you could pound away at the keyboard while the deer graze. That.

[Loads of Clinton animosity.]

Look, Dick Cheney said that Deficits Don't Matter. You're in the clear. Why so defensive, my man?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by baltassoc
He should have been fired for having such a complete lack of understanding of the First Amendment.

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What a yutz.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Shit that will make him seem the idiot once the facts play out

It's so weird to see people continue to doubt Spank. What will it take for you to realize how wrong you all are?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Newt Gingrich was the one who blinked when they went eyeball to eyeball.

I was very much of the opinion (and remain so) that Gingrich should have held fast and let the government "collapse" whatever that would entailed.

The thought of the eventual exercise of the People's Second Amendment Rights and stringing up of the terroristic Clintons in LaFayette Park (ala Mussolini or Ceaceascu) is certainly a smile inducing "what if".

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
It's so weird to see people continue to doubt Spank. What will it take for you to realize how wrong you all are?

Why? Is Spanky hoping to fuck Alan Greenspan?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
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What a yutz.

Ty, the two hour rule is in effect. that post was no longer respondable. PLease edit accordingly.

Originally posted by Penske_Account
The thought of the eventual exercise of the People's Second Amendment Rights and stringing up of the terroristic Clintons in LaFayette Park (ala Mussolini or Ceaceascu) is certainly a smile inducing "what if".

I thought expressing POTUS-related death wishes was a no-no here, or was that just more of the by-now-all-too-familiar neocon hypocrisy? If it's dead bodies you want, I'll buy you a one-way ticket to your illegal quagmire of a war in Iraq, you chickenhawk.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Contrary to the nonsense spouted in your post, the Clinton surplus didn't happen in a vaccuum. His economic stimulus package and tax increase passed without any Republican support in 1993, and is generally credited with easing long term interest rates, which is generally credited with reviving the economy. The Republicans at the time howled about how horrible these bills were, and how they would cripple the US economy.

Generally credited by whom? Morons? I took the time in my post to point out that the people who set these interests rates gave credit to the Republican congress. Are you suggesting that they really credited the stimulous package but lied. Also, long term interest rates staid high until the Republicans came in. In addition, the economy was already growing. The last two quarters of Bush Sr. Term had strong growth the news just came out too late to save the election. So Clinton instituted a "stimulous package" when the economy was already growing. As the people that provded the long term interest rates said (mainly the mortgage industry), they were interested in balanced budgets not increased spending. Before Newt came in Clinton repeatedly said he hoped to cut the buget deficit in half by 2000 and, the markets didn't buy it.

Originally posted by Not Bob There was a HUGE fight within the Administration and on the Hill between deficit hawks (Bentsen, Rubin, et al) and traditional spenders (Reich, Begala, et al). When Clinton was told by his economic advisers that he would have to shelve the middle class tax cut and increase taxes to make a real reduction in the deficit in order to reassure the markets, he screamed someting like "I have to screw the middle class to placate a bunch of fucking bond traders?" (Read Bob Woodward's "The Agenda," which was written before this strategy worked, and which implied that it wouldn't.)

I did read the Agenda. That is when Clinton said we have we have turned into Eisenhauer Republicans. However, he did increase spending, and the Democrat congress increased spending even more. He raised taxes just to cover the increased spending. And the deficit actually increased, because of that spending, even in a growing economy. So even with Bentsen and Rubin the bond markets didn't buy their B.S. The best possible decision would have been not to increase spending at all until the deficit was gone, but being a Democrat administration with a Democrat Congress that was not an option.

Originally posted by Not Bob
He did, and he did, and the economy boomed because of fiscal and economic policies that he pushed, and all of the GOP's revisionist history won't change any of that.

You know it is amazing how the Democrats love Alan Greenspan until he points out the cold hard truth. Greenspan said Clintons "stimulous" made things worse, but Clinton still reappointed him.

Originally posted by Not Bob Oh, and newsflash -- Clinton got what he wanted as a result of the government shutdowns (including a blow job, Penske). Newt Gingrich was the one who blinked when they went eyeball to eyeball.

Yes he did get what he wanted. Keeping the budget unbalanced. If he had lost we would have been able to reduce even more of the national debt while we were in a economic boom (which is what you are supposed to do). But instead he fought against fiscal discipline and then took credit for the fiscal discipline.

Yes

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Look, Dick Cheney said that Deficits Don't Matter. You're in the clear. Why so defensive, my man?

Cite

My guess is he said that deficits were good in a recession. But if he said that deficits never matter then he was wrong but I am almost absolutely sure he never said that.

[Penske_Account]

A July Gallup Poll of minorities' political opinions indicated that black voters overwhelmingly favor the Democratic Party, and the percentage of African-Americans who consider themselves Republicans lingers at about 9 percent. However, according to the poll, of those blacks who vote GOP, most are under age 50 -- a generational shift that could be an opportunity for Republicans and a headache for Democrats.

As blacks, hispanics and all Americans continue to wake up to the fact that the Democrats offer nothing more than nanny-state government oppression and taxation I imagine this trend will increase exponentially. The Demos have long practiced Plantation Politics in the black community and that tragic fraud on the electorate looks to be coming to the fore.

another interesting read on the subject can be found here:



The author is a former newspaper publisher and radio talk show host and currently a community activist in Washington state, devoting much of his time serving his church and the inner-city
community in combatting racism.

After reading this book, you will understand that:

-for over 150 years, blacks were victims of terrorist attacks by the Democrats and their Klan supporters, including lynching, beating, rapes and mutilations

-On the issue of slavery, the Democrats literally gave their lives to expand it; the Republicans gave their lives to ban it.

-Many believed the Democrats had a change of heart and fell in love with blacks. To the contrary, history reveals the democrats didn't fall in love with black folks, they fell in love with the black vote knowing this would be their ticket into the white house.

It also uncovers foul
Truths [that are mostly correct and have been] Ignored But Now Explored including:

that the Democratic Party gave us the Ku Klux Klan, Black Codes, Jim Crow Laws and other repressive legislation which resulted in the multitude of murders, lynchings, mutilations, and intimidations (of thousands of black and white Republicans), and that while Democrats were busy passing laws to hurt blacks, Republicans devoted their time to passing laws to help blacks.

On the plus side, the Dems have this guy as their conscience:

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Spanky
Cite

My guess is he said that deficits were good in a recession. But if he said that deficits never matter then he was wrong but I am almost absolutely sure he never said that.

He said it to Paul O'Neill, as O'Neill recounted in his book.

The context is that Cheney responds to O'Neill's arguing against a second round of tax cuts during the GWB administration by saying: "You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter. We won the mid-term elections, this is our due." Notably, Cheney has since denied saying this.

Despite such perfunctory denials, no doubt aimed at the foreign capital markets who would be horrified at an official policy to this effect, many in the Republican orthodoxy have embraced the concept with both arms and given it a big ol' sloppy one. So drink up, Spanky! Next one's on me! (And you. And our kids. etc.)

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by ironweed
I thought expressing POTUS-related death wishes was a no-no here, or was that just more of the by-now-all-too-familiar neocon hypocrisy? If it's dead bodies you want, I'll buy you a one-way ticket to your illegal quagmire of a war in Iraq, you chickenhawk.

I was hypothesing on an imaginary consequence of a "what-if" that never occured, all of which took place a decade ago. there is no present effect to the statement short of the use of a time machine, which, per the Area 51 accords, does not exist.

As for the chickenhawk comment, read up you ignorant slut, we dealt with this subject last week. I looked into enlisting.

I.AM.TOO.OLD!!!

They wouldn't take me. If you can't keep up with assigned reading from last week, don't expect that Ty will allow you to participate in the meaningful discussions now ensuing.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Gattigap
He said it to Paul O'Neill, as O'Neill recounted in his book.

The context is that Cheney responds to O'Neill's arguing against a second round of tax cuts during the GWB administration by saying: "You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter. We won the mid-term elections, this is our due." Notably, Cheney has since denied saying this.

did he ever admit saying it? Perhaps O'Neill is a liar? Is he related to Tip O'Neill? That bloated fuck was a liar, so perhaps it runs in the genes.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Cheney has since denied saying this.

I believe Cheney. Mainly because it does not fit his personality. The Supply Siders constantly argued during Reagan's administration that deficits do not matter. Cheney was never a big supply sider. And in any case he is way to careful to say something so irresponsible - especially during an interview.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky
I believe Cheney. Mainly because it does not fit his personality. The Supply Siders constantly argued during Reagan's administration that deficits do not matter. Cheney was never a big supply sider. And in any case he is way to careful to say something so irresponsible - especially during an interview.

Not to mention O'Neill is a rank opportunist, trying to sell a book.

To him I say, go back to the blue state of Pennsylvania and wallow in the much alongside Teresa Heinz-Kerry.