Making Baby Jesus Cry

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Here is where we disagree, then. I don't see a whole lot of virtue when political leaders mislead people to do something that they think is wise policy but which they know the people oppose.

And it's not at all clear to me that the GOP had much chance of winning in 1940.



I have heard it before, e.g. from Penske, and I didn't say it was wrong. I just said that I'm not convinced that FDR was misleading people, and I'd want to see more of what he said before I reached that conclusion.



That's too bad. Is there a principled reason why you think this is OK, or are you just used to presidents who will not live up to your principles?



I think I have been pretty clear about this. I don't think Bush knew that there were no WMD and decided to mislead people. But I also am convinced that his senior advisors presented him a picture in shades of grey. They extrapolated from what we'd known in the past, they gave him their best guess about intel, etc. Some of the expressions of ambiguity have made it into the public record -- e.g., this -- and yet Bush and his advisors shared none of these doubts with the public. Thus, Tommy Franks tells him that they've been looking for WMD for years and have never found them, and Bush turns around and says that we know Hussein has WMD. I think we can agree that if he'd said the same thing under oath, he'd have a problem.

There is no doubt that during the run-up to the war, the intelligence agencies were being pressured to produce information and conclusions favorable to path Bush was inclined to reach -- i.e., to help him make the case for war. Did this happen because Bush was trying to snow people? I don't think so. But the administration was trying to sell its policy, and an accurate picture of the ambiguity of the intel would not have been helpful, so this was not shared with the public. Instead, you have an administration that was pushing the envelope at every turn -- e.g., including statements about uranium from Niger in presidential speeches when our own intelligence officials said they shouldn't be in there. The administration was picking and choosing what intel to use, and representing it as fact.

Don't your fingers ever get tired?

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Apparently this tour has rolled Cindy right out of Crawford as FoxNews is reporting she is picking up and going home. Interesting that Sheehan had vowed to remain until W met with her or until his month-long vacation was over. Guess he smoked her out.

I hope your wife and children have massive strokes as God's punishment to you for slamming Cindy for fulfilling traditional filial duties.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Your Hank-described humility is overwhelming me.


At the risk of stating the obvious, because I know Hank doesn't like it

OK.

Is it time for me to kill the Hank sock and sock change?

I always thought my Dick Gethardt sock could have legs if i just put it out there a little more.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Iso what you are saying is that perjury does not at least raise the issue of whether or not the Chief Executive officer of the country, the man ultimately in charge of administering the laws of the nation is fit to serve in that capacity? I don't believe he should have been removed from office (although maybe censured), but I think he should have been impeached to examine what he did. Publicly.

As someone who has been choosen to be the mouthpiece for a true gentleman about his dealing with the fairer sex, i feel competant to make the following statements.

One who drops trou on an employee and asks for unsolicited oral sex, or someone who spills his seed on a lady's ball gown- well that someone is no gentleman.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
I hope your wife and children have massive strokes as God's punishment to you for slamming Cindy for fulfilling traditional filial duties.

What God? You leftists don't believe in God. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Regretably I did not realize why she left when I posted that post, or, out of good taste and respect for the privacy of her family, who are innocents here, I would not have posted it. Although to delete it now would make me the equivalent of Ty when he deleted the charred bodies post, so I can't go there. No offence.

Further, let me state, obviously either Bush or the Israelis are behind Sheehan's mom's stroke, and that is dirty politics I just can't get behind. Uncool.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Is it time for me to kill the Hank sock and sock change?

I always thought my Dick Gethardt sock could have legs if i just put it out there a little more.

why not use Bluetriangle? Or the original juan?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Further, let me state, obviously either Bush or the Israelis are behind Sheehan's mom's stroke, and that is dirty politics I just can't get behind. Uncool.

Maybe God did it? He stepped in in Fla. in 2000 and again in Ohio last November.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski


One who drops trou on an employee and asks for unsolicited oral sex, or someone who spills his seed on a lady's ball gown- well that someone is no gentleman.

Excerpt from the Paul Jones depo (remember this is the man the Dems worship]


Paula Jones:

I was -- he come over by the wingback chair close to where I was at. Then it's like he wasn't even paying attention to what I was saying to him. Then he goes, "Oh, I love the way your hair flows down your back. And I was watching you," and stuff like that. Downstairs. And then he did it again. Then he started -- he pulled me over to him while he was leaning up against the wingback chair and he took his hands and was running them up my culottes. And they were long. They were down to my knees. They were long, dressy culottes. And he had his hand up, going up to my middle pelvic area, and he was kissing me on the neck, you know, and trying to kiss me on the lips and I wouldn't let him. And then I backed back. I said, "Stop it. You know. I'm not this kind of girl." I mean. And it still -- and then I ran right over to where the couch was. I thought what am I going to do? I was trying to collect my thoughts. I did not know what to do. After the second time -- after the first time, I had rebuffed him. And then when I got over there and I kind of sat right there by the end of the couch on the -- seemed like on the armchair part. And the next thing you know it, I turn around because he was a kind of back over here, and he come over there, pulled his pants down, sat down and asked me to perform oral sex.

Q. What did he say exactly?

Paula Jones:

He asked me would I kiss it. He goes -- you know, I can see the look on his face right now. He asked me, "Would you kiss it for me?" I mean it was disgusting.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
why not use Bluetriangle? Or the original juan?

Everyone knows they're me because of the "Criminal's rights are more important than the right's of the aggrevied " crowd running the show here.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Maybe God did it? He stepped in in Fla. in 2000 and again in Ohio last November.

God is jewish, no? (I.E. the Israeli connection)

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
God is jewish, no? (I.E. the Israeli connection)

I worship you, but that doesn't make you Hankish.

[ltl/fb]

Operation Enduring Freedom: Has Freedom Indeed Endured?

Discuss.

Bonus points for incorporation descriptions of certain laser navigation systems used in aircraft.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Maybe he was relying on Clinton, when Bill said:

Please. That shit is so tired. Clinton didn't see a threat to this country or Iraq's neighbors warranting an invasion. Bush did. We now know he was wrong. And yet it doesn't seem to bother you that Bush got something so crucial so wrong.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Don't your fingers ever get tired?

Oddly enough, your wife was just asking me the same thing.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Oddly enough, your wife was just asking me the same thing.

If i hadn't turned nice I would turn this one on you. This is slow pitch- like school of Taxwonk.