Waiting for Fitzgerald

[Spanky]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
Punk Spanky once, shame on you. Punk Spanky twice, shame on him.

This little rules only applies to the same person. It would be shamefull if I ever trusted anything you ever say again, but at this point there is no reason for me not to trust Penske.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
Punk Spanky once, shame on you. Punk Spanky twice, shame on him.

I haven't punk'd him at all. I am reading Irving. This new book just seems more up his alley. sts. npi. plus, it is more apropos of something for this board.

I thought you avoided this place?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky
This little rules only applies to the same person. It would be shamefull if I ever trusted anything you ever say again, but at this point there is no reason for me not to trust Penske.

I am a very poor reader. Books take concentrated time, and I work a lot, and have a lot of kids to tend to in my relatively small amount of free time. That's why my reading is limited to the collective works of the faux elitist, morally relativistic liberal inteligentsia, i.e. this board, the WSJ and the Sunday NYTimes.

However, I did buy that Irving book, as up until Cider House Rulz or A Prayer for the symbolically metaphorical babyjesuschristsuperstar Owen Meany, I had read all of his works ([outable]except for the 158 Pound Marriage, which has been on my nightstand for 5 years[/outable]) , and I am reading it, albeit more slowly than Spanky. Also, I would read this Freeh book as it would give me some more ammo to combat the nattering nabobs of no-nothingness of the left.

[Spanky]

Maybe we should read this book, and then read one from the left. Go back and forth. Or maybe since this book is not out yet we should start with one on the left and then go to this one. Any thoughts?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Spanky
This little rules only applies to the same person. It would be shamefull if I ever trusted anything you ever say again, but at this point there is no reason for me not to trust Penske.

I don't get why the book club doesn't read my book. Ty and I have both read it. We're not promising to, we have. Plus, there are issues in the book that the fringe (SHP SAM) can spin into indictments of the right.

Was it that I talked about the date that causes you to disrespect me?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky
Maybe we should read this book, and then read one from the left. Go back and forth. Or maybe since this book is not out yet we should start with one on the left and then go to this one. Any thoughts?

Dick Morris is a democrat/on the left, right?

[Penske_Account]

Democrats Urged to Abandon Election Myths

WASHINGTON (AP) - To regain political power Democrats must abandon favorite election myths, adopt a strong position on national defense and pick candidates who connect with average voters, two political analysts from the party said Thursday.

Political scientists Elaine Kamarck and William Galston, both Democrats, warned that the most important first step is to abandon beliefs they describe as "election myths."

The said the current "myths" are:

_The belief Democrats can win if they just do a great job of mobilizing their base. Republicans have improved at mobilizing their own base, so Democrats need to do more than that.

_The theory demographic changes over time will make Democrats a majority, a questionable concept with the Hispanic vote increasingly up for grabs.

_The belief Democrats can succeed politically if they simply learn to talk more effectively about their positions.

_The strategy of avoiding cultural issues, playing down national security and changing the subject to domestic issues. National security is too dominant a concern now.

The report noted Republican gains among married people, Catholics, Hispanics and women during the last presidential election.

The Democrats also must develop a coherent foreign policy because "we just don't have one," said Kamarck, a political scientist at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government.

The problem here is the demographics are working against them (hispanics, hi Spanky!), the dim leadership has no values, or cultural and moral clarituy to offer the electorate, which essentially what the article is saying that they need to do and who they need to appeal to (families, people with religious values). Instead the dims want God out of the public square, mock the babyjesi and want a society of moral relativism (Wonk, you may not want me and my superior morals governing, but moral clarity plays to the electorate and its why the Rs win national elections).

Plus, national defence!!! They don't have a policy is right. Clinton spent 8 years in office governing by opinion poll, that is the policy. Which amounts to cut and run. The lemmings of America want to be led. To victory and a position of strength and security (ala the W Doctrine), not led on a mission of surrender and skulk away in a fart cloud of shame and self-blame.

Based on this internal study of demos by demos, I see Republican control of the Fed government for at least the next three election cycles. thoughts?


eta: that talking about effectively about their positions myth actually for Kerry, no?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Democrats Urged to Abandon Election Myths

WASHINGTON (AP) - To regain political power Democrats must abandon favorite election myths, adopt a strong position on national defense and pick candidates who connect with average voters, two political analysts from the party said Thursday.

Political scientists Elaine Kamarck and William Galston, both Democrats, warned that the most important first step is to abandon beliefs they describe as "election myths."

The said the current "myths" are:

_The belief Democrats can win if they just do a great job of mobilizing their base. Republicans have improved at mobilizing their own base, so Democrats need to do more than that.

_The theory demographic changes over time will make Democrats a majority, a questionable concept with the Hispanic vote increasingly up for grabs.

_The belief Democrats can succeed politically if they simply learn to talk more effectively about their positions.

_The strategy of avoiding cultural issues, playing down national security and changing the subject to domestic issues. National security is too dominant a concern now.

The report noted Republican gains among married people, Catholics, Hispanics and women during the last presidential election.

The Democrats also must develop a coherent foreign policy because "we just don't have one," said Kamarck, a political scientist at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government.

The problem here is the demographics are working against them (hispanics, hi Spanky!), the dim leadership has no values, or cultural and moral clarituy to offer the electorate, which essentially what the article is saying that they need to do and who they need to appeal to (families, people with religious values). Instead the dims want God out of the public square, mock the babyjesi and want a society of moral relativism (Wonk, you may not want me and my superior morals governing, but moral clarity plays to the electorate and its why the Rs win national elections).

Plus, national defence!!! They don't have a policy is right. Clinton spent 8 years in office governing by opinion poll, that is the policy. Which amounts to cut and run. The lemmings of America want to be led. To victory and a position of strength and security (ala the W Doctrine), not led on a mission of surrender and skulk away in a fart cloud of shame and self-blame.

Based on this internal study of demos by demos, I see Republican control of the Fed government for at least the next three election cycles. thoughts?


eta: that talking about effectively about their positions myth actually for Kerry, no?

National elections? I bet my neighbor that the Dems will lose 3 Senate seats in '06. They have way more contested seats up.

This board could get to be as irrelevant as Spank's book club.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
National elections? I bet my neighbor that the Dems will lose 3 Senate seats in '06. They have way more contested seats up.

This board could get to be as irrelevant as Spank's book club.

If goes to 58-42, the last 2 years of W's term will be a free for all. I don't if Stevens can outlast it. RBG is not a healthy women. Souter will soon find himself locked in a battle royale to save his familial home and may have to step down. The babyjesus feels good.

I wonder if the 06 election debacle for the demos is what precipitates Ty's leaving?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
Punk Spanky once, shame on you. Punk Spanky twice, shame on him.

2. Most everyone agrees Penske ruined the Politics board, but then when Spank tries to carve out a nice book club board Penske has to talk him into reading some book that Penske doesn't even read. "I bought it and I'll read it soon." huh? the book was assigned weeks ago.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I don't get why the book club doesn't read my book. Ty and I have both read. We're not promising to, we have. Plus, there are issues in the book that the fringe (SHP SAM) can spin into indictments of the right.

Was it that I talked about the date that causes you to disrespect me?

Never Let Me Go? No one seemed to jump on the band wagon. I don't have a problem with that if that is what everyone agrees with. I just don't see how there is much to talk about with fiction. Either you like it or your don't. But if people are into that I will go along.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
2. Most everyone agrees Penske ruined the Politics board, but then when Spank tries to carve out a nice book club board Penske has to talk him into reading some book that Penske doesn't even read. "I bought it and I'll read it soon." huh? the book was assigned weeks ago.

2.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
[b] Democrats Urged to Abandon Election Myths

[URL=http://apnews.myway.com/article/20051006/D8D2JOFO8.html]The problem here is the demographics are working against them (hispanics, hi Spanky!),

The problem with the Hispanic vote is that the Republican base is getting more and more upset about illegal immigration. If the Republicans address the Bases concerns that will cost us the Hispanic vote. The issue is getting really acute in California. The election for Chris Cox's seat is up for grabs because the head of the minutemen took on the establishment's favorite candidate.

This could spell real trouble for us.

Here is what I mean:

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[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky


This is a SPECIAL MESSAGE from Stephen Frank's "California Political News and Views" the RightMarch.com PAC:
ALERT: Minuteman co-founder Jim Gilchrist has forced the "establishment" candidate into a RUNOFF in his race for Congress!

There are hispanic voters in lots of states. That is one issue that affects California differently than it affects a lot of states. To win a presidential election a Republican candidate doesn't need California.

[SlaveNoMore]