Making Baby Jesus Cry - Page 135

nononono · 08-17-2005, 03:18 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Someone has to do the dishes.

I don't know when the last time I did dishes was. See, having educated, working women means you can afford to hire other people to do that. Or buy a lot of disposable dishes.

Gattigap · 08-17-2005, 03:44 PM

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Originally posted by nononono
Sorry, but why, if freedom and rights "for the people" were important enough to invade a country for (and yes, I am putting aside for this point the other reasons), can we wait and allow "evolution" to take care of these things for women?

Waitwaitwait!

Ok, Penske. Go ahead. I shall attempt to read your response without picturing the writer being clothed thusly.

Penske_Account · 08-17-2005, 04:18 PM

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Originally posted by nononono
Sorry, but why, if freedom and rights "for the people" were important enough to invade a country for (and yes, I am putting aside for this point the other reasons), can we wait and allow "evolution" to take care of these things for women?

Is it our constitution or theirs? Don't we need to be sensitive to cultural differences here? Or have the libs dropped that PC mantra thing?

Penske_Account · 08-17-2005, 04:20 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap

Ok, Penske. Go ahead. I shall attempt to read your response without picturing the writer being clothed thusly.

Back in my DC days when I would take summer jaunts to Newport (THE Newport, not that other place in SoCal) that was my look.

nononono · 08-17-2005, 04:23 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Is it our constitution or theirs? Don't we need to be sensitive to cultural differences here? Or have the libs dropped that PC mantra thing?

How would I know what liberals have done with the PC mantra?

In any event, obviously in my view freedom trumps PC considerations, particularly those with extra cushion for keeping girls down.

Penske_Account · 08-17-2005, 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by nononono
How would I know what liberals have done with the PC mantra?

In any event, obviously in my view freedom trumps PC considerations, particularly those with extra cushion for keeping girls down.

So, suppose we impose it on them. Then after the troops leave or maybe after half the troops leave and we are just there on an advisory capacity, they amend the constitution to take away some of the women's rights. Do we invade again to amend their constitution?

Shape Shifter · 08-17-2005, 04:30 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
So, suppose we impose it on them. Then after the troops leave or maybe after half the troops leave and we are just there on an advisory capacity, they amend the constitution to take away some of the women's rights. Do we invade again to amend their constitution?

Of course we should. They kicked the UN inspectors out in '98. They might have WMDs.

nononono · 08-17-2005, 04:31 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
So, suppose we impose it on them. Then after the troops leave or maybe after half the troops leave and we are just there on an advisory capacity, they amend the constitution to take away some of the women's rights. Do we invade again to amend their constitution?

Same question applies to anything else we purportedly care about in the way the country goes. Probably not. But it is a lot easier to keep in place once there than to put it in later.

Penske_Account · 08-17-2005, 04:36 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Of course we should. They kicked the UN inspectors out in '98. They might have WMDs.

Posts like this is why no one takes you seriously here, and the reckless flippancy reminds of the time you blew one of the greatest socks of all time and I only point this out because I am a people who cares.

Not Bob · 08-17-2005, 04:36 PM

I can't believe this analogy didn't come to me last night, but whatever.

I would rather live in the semi-socialist parliamentary democracy of Great Britain of 1976 than the free-market dictatorship of Chile of 1976. Give me a lumbering statist economy with the right to call James Wilson a moron as I work on the fickle wiring of my Triumph Spitfire over a free market economic paradise in which my teenaged daughter is raped and killed by the army because her boyfriend wore a Che Guevara t-shirt before the junta took over.

And I'd rather live now in one of the social democrat statist Scandanavian countries than free markert Asian Tiger Singapore. Call me nutty.

I can't believe that people here would so easily trade away the rights of 50% of the population.

Actually, I guess I can believe it. As much as some have tried to hide it, property rights have always been accorded more deference than civil rights by a certain political segement here in the US.

Penske_Account · 08-17-2005, 04:39 PM

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Originally posted by nononono
Same question applies to anything else we purportedly care about in the way the country goes. Probably not. But it is a lot easier to keep in place once there than to put it in later.

I think we will leave a lot of the influential people resenting on this. Better to make incremental progress than blow up the spot completely. Plus the bottom line is to some extent it is a Muslimic country, and women are not first class citizens in Muslim society. Perhaps we could evangelize them? They are open to babyjesus, no?

Penske_Account · 08-17-2005, 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by Not Bob
I can't believe this analogy didn't come to me last night, but whatever.

I would rather live in the semi-socialist parliamentary democracy of Great Britain of 1976 than the free-market dictatorship of Chile of 1976. Give me a lumbering statist economy with the right to call James Wilson a moron as I work on the fickle wiring of my Triumph Spitfire over a free market economic paradise in which my teenaged daughter is raped and killed by the army because her boyfriend wore a Che Guevara t-shirt before the junta took over.

And I'd rather live now in one of the social democrat statist Scandanavian countries than free markert Asian Tiger Singapore. Call me nutty.

I can't believe that people here would so easily trade away the rights of 50% of the population.

Actually, I guess I can believe it. As much as some have tried to hide it, property rights have always been accorded more deference than civil rights by a certain political segement here in the US.

I'd take Singapore. I think more kids in the US should be caned and we would end up with fewer wayward adults like Hillary, Cindy Sheehan and John Wayne Gacy.

Shape Shifter · 08-17-2005, 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Posts like this is why no one takes you seriously here, and the reckless flippancy reminds of the time you blew one of the greatest socks of all time and I only point this out because I am a people who cares.

That would not have happened if I'd had a better mentor.

nononono · 08-17-2005, 04:46 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
I think we will leave a lot of the influential people resenting on this. Better to make incremental progress than blow up the spot completely. Plus the bottom line is to some extent it is a Muslimic country, and women are not first class citizens in Muslim society. Perhaps we could evangelize them? They are open to babyjesus, no?

But there is no need to go backward. Iraqis weren't cheering in the streets when SH was toppled because it would mean that women could go back to being property and washing all the dishes again.

Penske_Account · 08-17-2005, 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by nononono
But there is no need to go backward. Iraqis weren't cheering in the streets when SH was toppled because it would mean that women could go back to being property and washing all the dishes again.

Some may have been cheering for that.