Making Baby Jesus Cry

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky
So you think there is absolutely no chance that there will be a functional democracy in Iraq in the next ten years?

Exactly.With my lover at that time as my witness, when we embarked on this crusade I noted that it would take 5-10 years of noble dedicated effourt, but the price woud be worth it. Given that we have had troops in Europe for 50 years to ensure democracy in what was already an established, albeit morally rotten, political society, I think 5-10 years to cultivate real Democracy in the Middle east is worth it. What naivete motivates the dems and other liberals to think two years is long enough to pull this off I don't know but I am sure that it is exacerbated by the failure of our public education system do to the oppressive stupification of the teachers' unions.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
There are Israelis who want a state which does not permit Palestinians to have a land of their own -- e.g., who would settle and control Gaza and the West Bank. Those Israelis -- and there are many of them -- seek more than "reasonable and defensible boundaries."

Yes, there are 9000 Israeli settlers (less as of tonite) and 1.3M radical hateful Palestinians in Gaza. I see the morally relative equivalency.

[Penske_Account]

Parents of Patriot-hero Upset About Sheehan's Cowardly Protest

Matt and Toni Matula don't want their son's name to be part of an anti-war demonstration.

"Matthew was very proud of being a Marine and proud of his unit and what they were doing," Toni Matula said.

When the Matulas saw the Crawford protest on TV, something did more than just bother them.

"All this stuff going in crawford, we've just been watching it and shaking our heads until two days ago, we saw the crosses with the names on there," Matt Matula said.

On one white cross read the name Mattew Matula: their 20-year-old son who was killed in Iraq last year.

"He's not a victim, he's a hero, and I think that everybody that's serving our country is heroes," Matt Matula said.

"He knew joining the Marines, his chances are, that was the purpose. His main number one job was to defend our country. He was very aware of that before he signed up," Toni Matula said.

So Matt Matula went to Crawford to stand up for his son, a Marine who proudly stood by the war he died in.

"I went there and had Matthew's name taken off of there. It's fine for people to grieve their own way. It aggravates me to see them using other people's names to further their cause," Matt Matula said.

"For people to use his name against it is not what he died for. Toni Matula said.

What a shame a patriot's parents had to go through this. Too bad the liberals are so selfish that they fraudently co-opt freedom's warrior's names and deeds to bolster their lies and treason.

Thank god and his son, babyjesus, that our President is a man of faith who cares.

[pony_trekker]

Ok, how can gas prices be indexed for inflation, when the key item causing the CPI to rise has been gas prices?

Anyone follow me? Sounds like gas prices are high but not as high as they would be if not for high gas prices?

I call for a revolution!

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by pony_trekker
Ok, how can gas prices be indexed for inflation, when the key item causing the CPI to rise has been gas prices?

Anyone follow me? Sounds like gas prices are high but not as high as they would be if not for high gas prices?

I call for a revolution!

If taxes were lowered we would all have more money to finance the increased gas prices.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Frankly, the offensiveness of some of the assertions regarding the UN and its faux credibility make me wonder why those posts are even still in existence......Ty?

I have never tried to explain the way you moderate this board, and I"m not going to start now.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I suggest annexing the West Bank and "inviting" its current non-Israeli inhabitants to relocate to Jordan or beyond. That should allow your end to be met. Be well met, at that.

It's beyond me that you can support the Iraq war as necessary to remove a despot, and then propose ethnic cleansing of the West Bank, but I suppose these little contradictions should no longer surprise me.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Are suggestng the Iraqis are incapable of perpetuating their W-given democracy?!?! I sense a little a racism here, why do you doubt the Muslims Ty?

If you followed the news, you would understand that W. hasn't given Iraq a democracy. It's just not happening. When you figure this out, you will start blaming the Iraqis, among others, in order to avoid the possibility that W. fucked up. But the more interesting question is, was installing a working democracy in Iraq ever a reasonable possibility? I.e., was W.'s whole scheme the problem, or did he screw up the execution?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
If you followed the news, you would understand that W. hasn't given Iraq a democracy. It's just not happening. When you figure this out, you will start blaming the Iraqis, among others, in order to avoid the possibility that W. fucked up. But the more interesting question is, was installing a working democracy in Iraq ever a reasonable possibility? I.e., was W.'s whole scheme the problem, or did he screw up the execution?

So you suggest we should have left the UN to continue the path it was following?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
It's beyond me that you can support the Iraq war as necessary to remove a despot, and then propose ethnic cleansing of the West Bank, but I suppose these little contradictions should no longer surprise me.

Its not ethnic cleansing, its the quid pro quo relocation to compliment what is going on in Gaza.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
If you followed the news, you would understand that W. hasn't given Iraq a democracy. It's just not happening. When you figure this out, you will start blaming the Iraqis, among others, in order to avoid the possibility that W. fucked up. But the more interesting question is, was installing a working democracy in Iraq ever a reasonable possibility? I.e., was W.'s whole scheme the problem, or did he screw up the execution?

I think that if we give the process the same amount of time that we gave the UN inspectors we will all be pleasantly surprised by the result, unlike our universal dissatisfaction with the aforementioned (failed) UN regime.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
So you suggest we should have left the UN to continue the path it was following?

Its interesting that the liberal one world government contingent here has not commented on your indictment of Koffi Annan and the UN. I will take that silence and my additional assertion of a relationship between Michael Wilson and Joe Wilson-Plame to be affirmation of the same.

We win!

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I think that if we give the process the same amount of time that we gave the UN inspectors we will all be pleasantly surprised by the result, unlike our universal dissatisfaction with the aforementioned (failed) UN regime.

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The WTC didn't actually fall in a few hours, the planning took several years. We need to have similar perserverance.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
[oil-for-food stuff]

Okay let me get this straight. At first, the justification for war was imminent threat from WMDs. Then when there were no WMDs, the justification was to turn Iraq into a shining beacon of democracy in the Middle East. Now that the shining beacon thing isn't working out so well, the justification for war is to root out UN corruption?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
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The WTC didn't actually fall in a few hours, the planning took several years. We need to have similar perserverance.

Stay the course, it will be morning in Iraq.