Waiting for Fitzgerald

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
Squeeze me? Go back and read the first post on this topic (which came from you), then consider Don Young's response to suggestions he give up the Bridge to Nowhere, add in the energy bill and transportation bill this year and the last few year's appropriation bills and tell us again the Dems are worse on fiscal policy?? You may not like the California brand of Dem, but nationally there's no comparison.

I have posted on this subject many times before and it has been beaten to death. But I am of the conviction the only fiscal discipline in the past twenty years has come from fiscal conservative Repubs. There are bad Republicans on this but no good Dems. Clinton only helped reduce the deficit by raising taxes. It took a Republican congress to reduce spending. The recession caused the bulk of the deficits we have now. No matter how bad it is now, it will always be worse with Dems. Demns only talk fiscal conservatisim to attack Repubs but they never act on it when they are in power.

Our Federal government spends too much on too many programs. There is never any reason to raise taxes. The way to fiscal sanity is through spending cuts. If there is one thing Dems can't do is cut spending.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by Spanky
I have posted on this subject many times before and it has been beaten to death. But I am of the conviction the only fiscal discipline in the past twenty years has come from fiscal conservative Repubs. There are bad Republicans on this but no good Dems. Clinton only helped reduce the deficit by raising taxes. It took a Republican congress to reduce spending. The recession caused the bulk of the deficits we have now. No matter how bad it is now, it will always be worse with Dems. Demns only talk fiscal conservatisim to attack Repubs but they never act on it when they are in power.

Our Federal government spends too much on too many programs. There is never any reason to raise taxes. The way to fiscal sanity is through spending cuts. If there is one thing Dems can't do is cut spending.

Well, all I can say is you have a real problem with the social conservatives and the neocons, combined with the tax cut zealots. Dems are pretty sensitive these days to the tax-and-spend label hung on them by the GOP - witness Pelosi's willingness to forego the transportation money for the Bay Area. Were I you, I might reconsider my "it will always be worse with Dems" attitude - I submit there may be more fertile ground for a fiscal conservatism message there than you think.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
Well, all I can say is you have a real problem with the social conservatives and the neocons, combined with the tax cut zealots. Dems are pretty sensitive these days to the tax-and-spend label hung on them by the GOP - witness Pelosi's willingness to forego the transportation money for the Bay Area. Were I you, I might reconsider my "it will always be worse with Dems" attitude - I submit there may be more fertile ground for a fiscal conservatism message there than you think.

Have you factored in the economic costs from the terrorist attacks that seem to flow from Democratic Admins?

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
Well, all I can say is you have a real problem with the social conservatives and the neocons, combined with the tax cut zealots. Dems are pretty sensitive these days to the tax-and-spend label hung on them by the GOP - witness Pelosi's willingness to forego the transportation money for the Bay Area. Were I you, I might reconsider my "it will always be worse with Dems" attitude - I submit there may be more fertile ground for a fiscal conservatism message there than you think.

I like Neocons. I have no problem with them. I don't mind the tax cut zealots so much. I just think they should push through the spending cuts before the tax cuts, but I agree taxes are too high.

Pelosi is just playing politics. The problem is that most Dems deep down think government is the answer to many problems where I don't think it is. Free trade is the perfect example. The Dems controlled congress for decades and they never balanced a budget. It took a Republican congress to balance the budget. The recession pulled us out of it, but we will see if we get back. But if the Dems controll congress forget about fiscal sanity.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Spanky
The problem is that most Dems deep down think government is the answer to many problems

Many, many Rs act like this too -- they just don't acknowledge that that is what they are doing. So to me, it's worse, because they are hypocritical about the issue.

It may be slightly different because they think that the gov't should spend money for things that benefit them (e.g. a bajillion dollars for highway funds in DeLay's district) but not for things that benefit others.

I prefer people who are kind of not into personal sacrifice for anyone than people who are really into personal sacrifices -- but only for other people.

[SlaveNoMore]

Penske_Account
Please see the FB regarding a limited time offer whereby if the posters on the LT boards donate an aggreggate sum of $25,000 to the charity of the Paigow's choice (not PETA), Paigow and I will retire from the Boards and start our own joint blog or sell T-shirts or some such shite.

Also, Hank will take my spot as the moderator here, subject to the usual qualifications.

Fuck that.

For a bottle of Johnny Blue and a box of cigars, I'll just delete both of you.

Much cheaper option.

[SlaveNoMore]

Gattigap
Still, I'd appreciate seeing them make the effort.

I remember vaguely those creatures known as "moderate," or "libertarian" or "fiscal conservative" or even "principled" Republicans. I just think they, like the rest of us, have been taking it in the teeth for the last 5 years or so by the current crowd running this joint, and I've wondered what happened to them.

This is rich - coming from a party now dominated by Howard Dean and which last ran for President a French socialist named Jean Kerri

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
This is rich - coming from a party now dominated by Howard Dean and which last ran for President a French socialist named Jean Kerri

I'm OK with an R president if the house and senate are D.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Have you factored in the economic costs from the terrorist attacks that seem to flow from Democratic Admins?

2. Also the costs related to the Dems inability to appropriately utilise public transportation resources, like buses, in a disaster.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky
I like Neocons. I have no problem with them. I don't mind the tax cut zealots so much. I just think they should push through the spending cuts before the tax cuts, but I agree taxes are too high.

Pelosi is just playing politics. The problem is that most Dems deep down think government is the answer to many problems where I don't think it is. Free trade is the perfect example. The Dems controlled congress for decades and they never balanced a budget. It took a Republican congress to balance the budget. The recession pulled us out of it, but we will see if we get back. But if the Dems controll congress forget about fiscal sanity.

2. The thing is Spanky, you are the only one here really working in politics, so you know what's what. The liberal yahoos here are all ivy tower psuedo intellectual elitists. Their brand of thinking is fine, in the hyopthetic laboratory universe of Karl Marx and JM Keynes. Or course in practise their ideas are abject failures yet the dims still won't relent.

I have never met a group of people so unwilling to admit their ignorance and the danger it poses our republic.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
I'm OK with an R president if the house and senate are D.

I am okay with the government the electorate gives us. Its telling that it is all R and yet the dems still delusionally think that they are the mainstream.

Once Roberts knocks Roe out the box maybe that will shut them the fuck up for a while.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Many, many Rs act like this too -- they just don't acknowledge that that is what they are doing. So to me, it's worse, because they are hypocritical about the issue.

I agree with this, with a slight twist. I don't think they are thinking about it in terms of big government = good, but rather, big pork = staying in power.

[SlaveNoMore]

Spanky
Our Federal government spends too much on too many programs. There is never any reason to raise taxes. The way to fiscal sanity is through spending cuts. If there is one thing Dems can't do is cut spending.

Compassionate Conservatism = "conservatives" that are compassionate about spending money.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I agree with this, with a slight twist. I don't think they are thinking about it in terms of big government = good, but rather, big pork = staying in power.

In a way, EVEN worse -- because then it's not about spending the money where it will do the most good for people/the country, it's about getting huge amounts of cash to build stuff or have programs where the stuff or the programs aren't even doing any good.

And, Slave, nice extremely selective quote from Spanky's post. The compassionate conservatives aren't even the bad ones -- more the ones who want to have price supports for the industry in their district, even though ostensibly they are in favor of free trade. Fuckers.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
I'm OK with an R president if the house and senate are D.

That's what I've been saying. Except its okay if even one is D. That's what drives me nuts with the disjointed messages the Dems display because I think it kills them in congressional races.

Are they strong on defense or are they strong on michael Moore- pick one.- but don't put Mike next to a former President and have them listen to sppeches on how strong on defense they are.