Making Baby Jesus Cry

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by ironweed
I'd prefer they did their jobs and got kicked the fuck out when they didn't. But hey, I'm just kooky like that.

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When are Nagin, Blanco, and Landreiu going to step down? Or does Ty's acceptance of responsibility negate that need and if so, when will he step down?

Also, when are you going to call for Landrieu's prosecution for her violation of a federal statute? Censure?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Southern Patriot
As much as I believe the man has already suffered enough by losing his precious Brownie, I would be willing to advocate throwing the Vice President to the wolves as well if someone will write me that reparations check for those slaves you Northerner's "freed".

Isn't anyone concerned that Senator Byrd wants to bring thetroops home from Iraq to "fix" the problems he sees in New Orleans?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by nononono
You mean like Michael Brown? Who at state and local has gotten fired yet?

Ty stepping down today should suffice. Hank are you ready for a promotion?

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Ha. It's posts like this and that which ensure that on the day when we finally race, just prior to going by you (and dropping you hard), I will give you a pat on the shoulder and say "nice job, keep it up, you're almost there".

I'm pretty sure I'll be able to beat the crazy screaming/ranting bum on the street corner who no one listens to anymore b/c they don't have the time to decipher the shit from the substance, if there actually is any.

Plus, I'm younger.

[Nut Penske]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
When are Nagin, Blanco, and Landreiu going to step down? Or does Ty's acceptance of responsibility negate that need and if so, when will he step down?

Also, when are you going to call for Landrieu's prosecution for her violation of a federal statute? Censure?

You still haven't explained Where Were the Planes?

Bush said this: "to the extent that the federal government didn't fully do it's job right, I take responsibility. I want to know what went right and what went wrong."

He hasn't indicated what he or any member of his administration did wrong. This is as meaningful as Ty's acceptance of responsibility. We know many things went wrong:

He didn't activite the military.
He didn't activate the CRAF.
He appointed an incompetant and left him in charge.
He didn't activate the national guard.
He didn't approve activations of the national guard by other states in a timely fashion.

So, let's here him take responsibility and start fixing things. Getting rid of Brown was the first meaningful act, but there are more needed.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Isn't anyone concerned that Senator Byrd wants to bring thetroops home from Iraq to "fix" the problems he sees in New Orleans?

Maybe he was concerned because he noticed that the Mayor and Police Chief of N.O. are black.

Remember what he said as a young impressionable naive child-man in his early thirties.....


ex-Ku Klux Klansman, now U.S. Senator, Robert Byrd vowed never to fight, "with a Negro by my side. Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds."

[Southern Patriot]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Isn't anyone concerned that Senator Byrd wants to bring thetroops home from Iraq to "fix" the problems he sees in New Orleans?

Why would you be concerned? Mr. Byrd is one of the last true Democrats, and a man I have great admiration for. Most men of his character have become Republicans, and perhaps some day he will join them.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by Southern Patriot
I trust this includes responsibility for the War of Northern Aggression.

Where should I send my reparations claim?

Lincoln was a Republican. Try Penske.

[Southern Patriot]

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
Lincoln was a Republican. Try Penske.

Lincoln was the left. The Republican party has long since ceased to have any resemblance to that disgraceful party of Lincoln.

[dtb]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
IMpressive that you are so lacking in objectivity that you can not give him requisite credit when he does the very thing that for 5 years you have criticised him for not doing. Thanks for exposing the hypocrasy of the left. Again.

Uh huh.

So, Penske, IYHO, was the federal government responsible or not?

[Captain]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Are you talking state sovereign immunity or federal sovereign immunity? With states, a lot of it is now defined by statute under state law, so for the most part it's irrelevant. As for federal laws abrogating state sovereign immunity, while it was once an interesting question, now it's essentially a statutory drafting question (isn't it?) and Congress can either abrogate it or not, with courts deciding only whether they did or didn't, and applying a default rule of it didn't. Don't get me started on the 11th amendment, because 11th amendment jurisprudence has almost nothing to do with the 11th amendment's text or purpose. Instead it's judicial activism used to strike down laws on a basis for which there are 5+ votes to do so (whereas the proper basis--the 10th amendment--has supplied, at least most recently, only 4 votes, at best).

My point really was in response to yours. I'd suggested, and Spanky had agreed, that it would be reasonable to punish police officers guilty of unconstitutional behavior rather than applying the Miranda rule. You'd suggested that sovereign immunity was a problem.

My question is: why? Let's assume the police officer is a state official. Where is the power of sovereign immunity granted, and who granted it? Why sould it protect a police officer who violated a defendant's rights? I view sovereign immunity itself as a creature of "judicial activism", that is, a common law doctrine.

I hope you'll let me avoid a discussion of current 11th amendment jurisdprudence - my useful knowledge ends pretty much with its adoption.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by nononono
Put another way: "Wow, can you believe an elected official actually having the balls and the character to admit there were failures on his watch and accepting responsibility for them?" Despite the editorializing in the story itself, what comes through loud and clear is the President is the only one stepping up.

2.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
When are Nagin, Blanco, and Landreiu going to step down? Or does Ty's acceptance of responsibility negate that need and if so, when will he step down?

As to Blanco, at least, the Congressional Research Service seems to put her in the clear.

Nagin, I think, goes down in the next mayoral election - sometime in probably oh say 2008, when there is a NOLA again.

I predict that Bush will, in a moment of dry drunk confusion, award Landrieu a Medal of Freedom.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
One instance of rude boorish incivility is not an excuse for others. The dimwits have no manners, no decorum. Add that to their resumes of supporting racists, murderers and rapists as leaders of their kool-aid cult, and it adds up to one big shite-stain. Do you realise this arsehole Biden works for you? Would you have a junior associate in your firm call up a client and refer to him in the slangish dialogue of the ignorant as "man"? Do you think that is appropriate dialogue in a professional setting? Come on Gatti, put the Kool-aid down and be honest.

The board has one Ty, a cheap imitation adds no value. No offence.

Oh, you poor dear.

Here, you dropped this.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by ironweed
Is it your view that Blanco or Nagin mouthing the words "I take responsibility" would improve anything about the facts of this disaster?

Originally posted by ironweed Sometimes "sorry" just isn't good enough.

I find these two comments contradictory. Blanco and Nagin don't need to say anything because it won't help matters. But Bush on the other hand needs to go beyond "sorry" to help. You are sounding like Ty.