Making Baby Jesus Cry

[Ty@50]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Fuck. Well, guess I'll have to slink away in shame.

Wait a second. In these shoes? I don't think so.

NotBob's future. Not. Nothing ever happens with the Waitress, the wife never leaves him.

The daughter marries a white guy who sells car. they have 1 child.

Oh, he does have some excitement- he takes a vacation to NY and tries squid ink pasta! he posts about it for weeks- Big Ed's gets the left overs, etc.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Ty@50
NotBob's future. Not. Nothing ever happens with the Waitress, the wife never leaves him.

The daughter marries a white guy who sells car. they have 1 child.

Oh, he does have some excitement- he takes a vacation to NY and tries squid ink pasta! he posts about it for weeks- Big Ed's gets the left overs, etc.

Does he like it?

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
The whole intelligent design vs. evolution argument is such silliness. The theories are not mutually exclusive.

I think it is far beyond silliness. The "theories" aren't mutually exclusive because they are apples and oranges. One is a scientific theory - which doesn't mean what most people seem to think "theory" means, in any event - and one is ... not. Hell, gravity is a theory in scientific terms, and one that is not as well "proved" as evolution through discovery of actual mechanisms. When the empty space in the heads of intelligent design-ists causes them to start floating about, I'll perhaps deign to listen to bullshit about how evolution's only a "theory" and therefore has no more validity than the idea that the entire earth was created last Thursday by giant ice cream cones from Seti Alpha 5.

I have no particular problem with "intelligent design" or even creationism being taught. But not in science classes. It has nothing to do with science, or critical scientific thinking about current "theories." That's as stupid as taking literary critical theory and applying it to a fact-based discipline like history ... oh, wait ....

Sorry, those guys really annoy me.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
When the empty space in the heads of intelligent design-ists causes them to start floating about, I'll perhaps deign to listen to bullshit about how evolution's only a "theory" and therefore has no more validity than the idea that the entire earth was created last Thursday by giant ice cream cones from Seti Alpha 5.

I like this particular theory better.

• Topeka — From Darwin to intelligent design to the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
  
  The debate over teaching evolution in Kansas public schools has caught the attention of a cross-country Internet community of satirists.
  
  In the past few weeks, hundreds of followers of the supreme Flying Spaghetti Monster have swamped state education officials with urgent e-mails.
  
  They argue that since the conservative majority of the State Board of Education has blessed classroom science standards at the behest of intelligent design supporters, which criticize evolution, they want the gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster taught.
  
  “I’m sure you realize how important it is that your students are taught this alternate theory,” writes Bobby Henderson, a Corvallis, Ore., resident whose Web site, www.venganza.org, is part FSM tribute and part job search.
  
  "It is absolutely imperative that they realize that observable evidence is at the discretion of a Flying Spaghetti Monster,” he wrote to the education board.
  
  Henderson did not return a telephone call for comment. He says in his letter that it is disrespectful to teach about the FSM without wearing “full pirate regalia.”
  
  Board member Bill Wagnon, a Democrat, whose district includes Lawrence, said he has received more than 500 e-mails from supporters of FSM.

Gattigap

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by Gattigap
I like this particular theory better.

• Topeka — From Darwin to intelligent design to the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
  
  The debate over teaching evolution in Kansas public schools has caught the attention of a cross-country Internet community of satirists.
  
  In the past few weeks, hundreds of followers of the supreme Flying Spaghetti Monster have swamped state education officials with urgent e-mails.
  
  They argue that since the conservative majority of the State Board of Education has blessed classroom science standards at the behest of intelligent design supporters, which criticize evolution, they want the gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster taught.
  
  “I’m sure you realize how important it is that your students are taught this alternate theory,” writes Bobby Henderson, a Corvallis, Ore., resident whose Web site, www.venganza.org, is part FSM tribute and part job search.
  
  "It is absolutely imperative that they realize that observable evidence is at the discretion of a Flying Spaghetti Monster,” he wrote to the education board.
  
  Henderson did not return a telephone call for comment. He says in his letter that it is disrespectful to teach about the FSM without wearing “full pirate regalia.”
  
  Board member Bill Wagnon, a Democrat, whose district includes Lawrence, said he has received more than 500 e-mails from supporters of FSM.

Gattigap

Yes, Flying Spaghetti Monster ... excellent. (And he won't melt during classroom experiments, a definite plus.) In any event, once science is dispensed with in the science classroom, all manner of supreme movers, including the various food-based deities, are equally plausible.

Were I resident in a school district where these hare-brains were pushing intelligent design, I think I would insist on equal time for neo-pagan theories of the origins of earth and man, including specifically wiccan and demiurge theories. The idea of using their bullshit to teach their children (what they generally consider) witchcraft and a form of Satanism fills me with great glee.

[viet_mom]

Why do you think it is that President Bush doesn't just go outside, give that woman a hug and invite her in for tea. If he's worried she will misstate something he said, he could have someone else there as a witness.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Yes, Flying Spaghetti Monster ... excellent. (And he won't melt during classroom experiments, a definite plus.) In any event, once science is dispensed with in the science classroom, all manner of supreme movers, including the various food-based deities, are equally plausible.

Were I resident in a school district where these hare-brains were pushing intelligent design, I think I would insist on equal time for neo-pagan theories of the origins of earth and man, including specifically wiccan and demiurge theories. The idea of using their bullshit to teach their children (what they generally consider) witchcraft and a form of Satanism fills me with great glee.

Well, thats where the problem comes in... If you allow that any hare brained notion with no supporting facts can be taught alongside evolution, the list of alternatives is endless, and any attempt to hone those alterntivees down to creationism or intelligent design would violate the separation of church and state.

Children have every right to consider the possibility the FSM started this whole mess.

What would be sheer comedy would be to sue a school board on behalf of Satanists, arguing that children should be able to consider whether Satan created Man. Satan is biblical, sso he could claim all the same support as the Creationists. Why not? Gimme half a day and I'll write a criticism of the bible which claims its writers were really saying Satan was the creator of Man.

I could plagiarize my own college term paper comparing Sympathy for the Devil to Pardise Lost - that got me an A.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by viet_mom
Why do you think it is that President Bush doesn't just go outside, give that woman a hug and invite her in for tea. If he's worried she will misstate something he said, he could have someone else there as a witness.

He already met with her. I posted the picture. He kissed her. She said nice things about him, man of faith blah blah blah. There is nothing to be gained for him. She is a liar, an anti-semite and a supports treason (and lawlessness-she is a tax scofflaw).

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[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield


Why not? Gimme half a day and I'll write a criticism of the bible which claims its writers were really saying Satan was the creator of Man.

I could plagiarize my own college term paper comparing Sympathy for the Devil to Pardise Lost - that got me an A.

Satan created the Clintons and the communists.

Without intelligent design how do you explain the babyjesus' immaculate reception?

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Well, thats where the problem comes in... If you allow that any hare brained notion with no supporting facts can be taught alongside evolution, the list of alternatives is endless....

Children have every right to consider the possibility the FSM started this whole mess.

What would be sheer comedy would be to sue a school board on behalf of Satanists, arguing that children should be able to consider whether Satan created Man.

If I move to such a school district we can do it pro bono. How I would love to force those igonorant fucks' children to learn how the demiurge (i.e.: satan) created all the material universe while God was asleep on the job. All on their Jeezis-lovin' parents' dime.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
If I move to such a school district we can do it pro bono. How I would love to force those igonorant fucks' children to learn how the demiurge (i.e.: satan) created all the material universe while God was asleep on the job. All on their Jeezis-lovin' parents' dime.

Don't hate the babyjesus, feel his love.

[Ty@50]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
the separation of church and state.

I remember that.

Of course, 2005 :doh3: - Frist hasn't set out his platform for the 2008 Presidential run yet.

[Spanky]

George loaths McCain. His columns should be fun if McCain gets the nomination.

George Will


Flirtations with fanaticism could prove costly to Dems in 2008

Sad, yet riveting, like a wreck by the side of the road, Cindy Sheehan, a plaything of her own sincerities and other peoples' opportunisms, has already been largely erased from the national memory by new waves of media fickleness in the service of the public's summer ennui.

But before she becomes fully relegated to the role of opening act for more durable luminaries at anti-war rallies, prudent Democrats — those political snail darters, the emblematic endangered species of American politics — should consider the possibility that, although she was a burr under the President's saddle for several weeks, she is symptomatic of something that in 2008 could cause the Democratic Party a sixth loss in eight Presidential elections.

That something is a shrillness unlike anything heard, in living memory, from a major tendency within a major party. Many warm-hearted and mildly-attentive Americans say the President should have invited Sheehan to his kitchen table in Crawford for a cup of coffee and a serving of that low-calorie staple of democratic sentimentality — "dialogue."

Well. Since her first meeting with the President, she has called him a "lying bastard," "filth spewer," "evil maniac," "fuehrer" and the world's "biggest terrorist" who is committing "blatant genocide" and "waging a nuclear war" in Iraq. Even leaving aside her not entirely persuasive contention that someone else concocted the obviously anti-Israel and inferentially anti-Semitic elements of one of her recent e-mails — elements of a sort nowadays often found woven into ferocious left-wing rhetoric — it is difficult to imagine how the dialogue would get going.


He: "Cream and sugar?" She: "Yes, please, filth spewer."


Do Democrats really want to embrace her variation of the Michael Moore and "Fahrenheit 9/11" school of political discourse? Evidently, yes, judging by the attendance of 12 Democratic senators at that movie's Washington premiere in June 2004, and by the lionizing of Moore at the Democratic Convention — the ovation, the seating of him with Jimmy Carter.

If liberals think that such flirtations with fanaticism had nothing to do with their 2004 defeat, they probably have nothing to learn from what conservatives did four decades earlier. But for the record: In the 1960s, just as conservatism was beginning to grow from a fringe tendency into what it has become — the nation's most potent persuasion — it was threatened by a boarding party of people not much, if any, loonier than Sheehan. The John Birch Society, whose catechism included the novel tenet that Dwight Eisenhower was an agent of the Kremlin, was not numerous — its membership probably never numbered more than 100,000 — but its power to taint all of conservatism was huge, particularly given the media's eagerness to abet the tainting.

Responsible conservatives, especially William F. Buckley and his National Review, repelled the boarders, driving them into the dark cave where, today, they ferociously guard the secret of their size from a nation no longer curious about it. MoveOn.org, which claims 3.3 million members and is becoming a tone-setting tail that wags the Democratic Party dog that is mostly such tails, adopted Sheehan during her Crawford demonstration, organizing 1,627 vigils around the country to express solidarity with her.

But the Democratic Party, whose democratically elected chairman is Howard ("I Hate the Republicans and Everything They Stand For") Dean, is not ripe for lessons in temperate rhetoric, which may be why the Republican Party has far fewer worries than it deserves. It is showing signs of becoming an exhausted volcano. Regarding Iraq, it is mistaking truculent asperity and tiresome repetition for Churchillian wartime eloquence.

Regarding domestic policy, intellectual anemia has given rise to behavioral patterns not easily distinguished from corruption, as with the energy and transportation bills. Yet the Democratic Party, which by now can hardly remember the far-distant past when it was a volcano not of molten rhetoric but of serious thought, seems preoccupied with the chafing around its neck. The chafing is caused by the leashes firmly gripped and impudently jerked by various groups like MoveOn.org that insist the party adopt hysteria as a policy by treating the Supreme Court nomination of John Roberts as a dire threat to liberty.

If Hillary Clinton has half the political sense her enthusiasts ascribe to her, she must be deeply anxious lest all her ongoing attempts to adopt moderation as her brand will be nullified by the increasing inclination of her party's base to succumb to siren songs sung by the likes of Sheehan. But, then, a rapidly growing portion of the base is not just succumbing to those songs, it is singing them.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Spanky
G. Will . . ..

I dig George Will, even when I don't agree with him. He's the natural successor to Buckly. Too bad no one of that quality, as yet, has risen as the natural sucessor to Will, which is a bad sign for conservative thougt in America.

[Gattigap]