Waiting for Fitzgerald

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Ah, but dancing, even with your sister, is forbidden by the Southern Baptist Convention.

Don't despair - you can still rape her, beat her and keep her trapped in a loveless marriage. Shit, you can even force her to risk her health with countless pregnancies. Thats a good way to get rid of her if you don't want her around any more or she gets uppity. And if she calls you on having a small cock, or makes fun of your impotence, you can slap her silly. She won't say shit - your pastor won't hear any woman sassing back her man - the bible forbids it.

I've really denigrated Jesus by calling these people Jesus Freaks. These sanctimonious, insecure, scared gutless abusive fucks don't deserve to prance around under that name.

Why so much blind hate Sebby? You are better than this. The babyjesi love you, despite your sinful ways.

[juan, usmc]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
The real juan or the sock? the real juan who met with Mr. Thottam in his pre-convict days is probably occupied being an imperialist occupier, no? Juan the Marine the sock was recently re-discovered as an Infirm login and would be available for sale on Infirm. I fear the geographic limitation against it being used here might limit its sale value

I can offer Ty@50 for sale on both boards. I would offer my Notbob sock for sale, but that's the only way I can get any Convo from the jeune filles, s'il vous plea.

Callete! Yo vivo! Tu eres el mas stupido! Lo-berry dicheme.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
If you are going to internalise criticism of philosophy or Party Platforms or governance in a political discussion then there is no way to avoid being offended. It's an immature outlook, imnsho. You aren't a party leader and unless I am missing something the heirarchy of the DNC couldn't give a rat's arse as to what you or Wonk think. So what grandiose delusion makes you think that when I criticise them it somehow includes you? Schizophrenics internalise comments directed at others in this way. Perhaps you guys need meds. Maybe fringey can share?

If your comments and diatribe were limited to the above, then your post would be justified. But your comments and diatribe are not. You essentially refuse to discuss anything with anyone who is not a right-wing R on an intellectual level, and instead respond with Byrd this, Kennedy that, these are the people you follow crap.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Perhaps we personalize it because you make the comments to us. You were responding to my post when you characterized "us Demos" as being blah, blah, blah. When you make a comment including me in a group, then you disparage that group, it doesn't really mean much when you then say that you weren't talking about us.

How is what you do qualitatively different that making a disparaging remark about Jews, but then saying, "Not you, Wonk, you're one of the good ones?"

"I was only talking about Zioinist leaders when I responded to your statement by saying "well, your religion is filled with murdering bigots."

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by juan, usmc
Callete! Yo vivo! Tu eres el mas stupido! Lo-berry dicheme.

You need to let people know which translator page they should use.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I made the comment about the demo party or dems in general, but it obviously, in context, goes to the leadership or philosophical leaders of the group.

No, it obviously does not.

Stop and think whether the fact that Wonk and I agree on this -- one of whom you know personally, the other of whom you know a fair amount about -- indicates that, even if you mean to limit your comments in the manner you suggest, you are failing to do that.

In other words - when (what you claim is) your message doesn't get through to the audience, it may not be the audience's fault.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
What part do you take offence at? The shot at Michael Moore, the implicit shots at Admiral Sean Pean and the Hollyweirdos, the Moveon.org crowd, the Cindy Sheehan crowd? Does it bother you that I don't disparage Jews? Perhaps when I have the cultural and historical maturity of my amis in France and Germany, I will to be anti-semitic, for now I am immature and naive in my outlook, as my Euro pals have told me.

It's your hysterical ranting. I'd just like to separate the political penske from the personal penske. It doesn't bother me when your socks froth at the mouth and spout irresponsible lunacy, but it does sort of bother me when it's your primary. Maybe we need an intervention to make you start socking again? I think you need the outlet.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
If your comments and diatribe were limited to the above, then your post would be justified. But your comments and diatribe are not. You essentially refuse to discuss anything with anyone who is not a right-wing R on an intellectual level, and instead respond with Byrd this, Kennedy that, these are the people you follow crap.

Dissent. I am trying to inspire you to a place where you realise that it is okay to empower yourself to lead your ideological soulmates to a higher plain and not follow these gods and sinful charlatans who have abused you with their kool aid and plantation style politics. Rise up Sidd, I know you are better than those who betray your trust and your vote. [cyber cuddle] Because. I. care. [/cyber cuddle]

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
"I was only talking about Zioinist leaders when I responded to your statement by saying "well, your religion is filled with murdering bigots."

Cite please? I am a spiritual zionist in my soul and my posts indicate as much. FWIW, I have frequently considered conversion, but some of the holiday cuisine is a little off putting. No offence.

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
In other words - when (what you claim is) your message doesn't get through to the audience, it may not be the audience's fault.

You democrats. Always with the politics of personal destruction. Nice.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
No, it obviously does not.

Stop and think whether the fact that Wonk and I agree on this -- one of whom you know personally, the other of whom you know a fair amount about -- indicates that, even if you mean to limit your comments in the manner you suggest, you are failing to do that.

In other words - when (what you claim is) your message doesn't get through to the audience, it may not be the audience's fault.

Which part of the obvious disclaimers don't you understand? IRL, when someone makes a disparaging remark about republicans, like back in November when you overheard someone say something to the effect of "only an idiot would vote for bush" and if you didn't hear, PM Thurgreed and he will assert it for you, did you correct them. "Now that's not fair, there are lots of plainly intelligent people who voted for Bush"? I doubt it.

Further evidence that you are not someone I am directing the criticism at is, no offence, you don't have skin thick enough to be in political leadership if you take this stuff this personally.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Cite please? I am a spiritual zionist in my soul and my posts indicate as much. FWIW, I have frequently considered conversion, but some of the holiday cuisine is a little off putting. No offence.

I was giving an example of the type of comment you would make, in response to what Wonk said. NOt suggesting that the comment would be about Zionists in particular.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
It's your hysterical ranting. I'd just like to separate the political penske from the personal penske. It doesn't bother me when your socks froth at the mouth and spout irresponsible lunacy, but it does sort of bother me when it's your primary. Maybe we need an intervention to make you start socking again? I think you need the outlet.

the babyjesuschristsuperstar was a misunderstood and denounced rebel too. Like your boy Chavez.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Which part of the obvious disclaimers don't you understand?

Once again, consider the possibility that if multiple people who you know not to be pussies are finding your message to be other than what (you claim to) intend, that the fault is in what you say, not in how they/we take it.

Perhaps you are failing to make disclaimers, or the level of vitriol you spout overwhelms any cursory disclaimers you might make.

Or, perhaps, you really do believe that Democrats are stupid, and not worthy of having an intellectual discussion with because, after all, well, Byrd. (Similar to Ann Coulter's view -- why talk to a liberal, unless you really have to?) I haven't met you in person, but frmo your comments here, I think this paragraph more accurately reflects what you really feel, and I regard your claims that "it's only about the party leadership" to be utter bullshit.

Further evidence that you are not someone I am directing the criticism at is, no offence, you don't have skin thick enough to be in political leadership if you take this stuff this personally.

If I were thin-skinned, I would have the same feelings about the comments by Slave, Club, etc. Yet I don't. I can have rational discussions with them. I can have vitriolic discussions with them. Yet I've never come to the conclusion that either of them actually holds all Democrats in disgust and disdain. That is exactly the conclusion that I've reached about you.

But I'm sure it's just my fault. And Wonk's. And SS's. Right?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
I was giving an example of the type of comment you would make, in response to what Wonk said. NOt suggesting that the comment would be about Zionists in particular.

And who or what group would it be about? Murders? Evaders of responsibility to society? Rapists? Perjurers? Other high criminals and Felons? Racists? Terrorists? Communists? radical socialists? Oppressors of Freedom? People who drive 55 in the passing lane?

If so, you are correct, those are all objectively bad and absolutely morally empty and evil people and I decry them and their anti-social satanic ways.

People with honest philosophies, ideas, beliefs and PoVs of any stripe, except the above, are fine. It's a marketplace of ideas. I respect that.