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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Your case is stong enough, don't weaken it by hyperbole.
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Dude, this ain't Meet The Press.
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The charges of corruption and self-interest clearly don't apply to all of the anti-war countries and institutions. I'd bet that (to name a few that come to mind) the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church, South Africa (and Mandela/Tutu), Mexico, and Amnesty International come out of this scandal reasonably unscathed.
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I probably shouldn't imply "all", just the principal examples of France, Germany, Russia, et al. You know, the ones who made a difference in the debate. Had they not made the stand they made, I doubt anyone would be counting SA, Mexico, or the pope. As to AI, there was really no unscathed surface to worry about.
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Nor would Kerry give the UN a veto over anything he actually wanted to do as President. You don't think he'd flip on that in a second?
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No, I really don't. He hasn't really flipped in his basic convictions, just in how he describes them around election times. I think his love for the UN, and his affinity for World Government, are long-lasting convictions, and I think he would like to see us asking them for approval at every turn.