Waiting for Fitzgerald

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
The distinction is that Clinton may very well have been complicit with our enemy directly or via his conspiracy with the RedChinese.

Ah. Thanks for explaining.

Does that sandwich board get heavy? Or did the space-aliens give you an exoskeleton?

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Its sad that you would go to such great lengths to denigrate religion and dumb down morality. You are better than this.

I'm not denigrating religion or dumbing down morality. I'm simply asking you a series of questions and you're answering them. If religion and morality are getting dumbed down, then consider whose giving the reponses.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
And today's "from out of left field" award goes to.....

That'd be "right field" to you . . .

(Back for a bit, unless I somehow violate probation . . .)

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
The 2000 number almost certainly referes to the American soldiers that died in Iraq, so maybe you want to duck back out.

Originally posted by taxwonk
Actually, I'm talking about the enemy our soldiers killed at Bush's orders. And the civilians killed by the mortars, shells, bombs, crossfire, etc. that were killed by our troops and planes at Bush's orders. Or are you suggesting that it's only an absolute wrong to kill Americans?

I stand corrected. Not to mention confused. Absolutely.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by taxwonk
My point isn't to be irritating. You made the statement that it was inappropriate for the POTUS to use profane and insulting language to refer on a regular basis to a member of his government. Yet, Bush regularly refers to Karl Rove as Turd Blossom.

Why is it okay for Bush when it was so highly inappropriate for Clinton?

I offered the distinction above. Its similar to the difference between consensual sex and rape, but your pal Clinton has difficulty ascertaining that distinction too.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
At least he got a blow job though, right?

And hasn't he paid for it enough?

The usual charge is about $50 or so.

Clinton paid with extraordinary public humiliation, untold private misery (i.e his marriage), and several pounds of flesh.

The whole nation and the Democratic Party paid for it too-- insofar as it helped provide fuel for a partisan-motivated scandal and investigation that effectively paralyzed the White House for at least three years, cost the nation $40 million, and helped to elect Bush II.

For the sake of God and the bayjesus, Penske, STFU about it already and leave him alone.

Focus your crazed energy on the people who have power now and can make a difference.

S_A_M

P.S. Plus, the "So what, your guy is even worse" argument lacks moral weight.

efs

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
The 2000 number almost certainly referes to the American soldiers that died in Iraq, so maybe you want to duck back out.

No, I was doing my normal thing of thinking five serial thoughts, and then typing only the last one. Try to keep up.

Seems this is aimed, somehow, at placing moral approbation for those American deaths on Bush. Doesn't work. Cops die, too, but no one blames the taxpayers. There's another, badder, element involved.

(ETA - damn, flight's here. Off again . . . )

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Actually, I'm talking about the enemy our soldiers killed at Bush's orders. And the civilians killed by the mortars, shells, bombs, crossfire, etc. that were killed by our troops and planes at Bush's orders. Or are you suggesting that it's only an absolute wrong to kill Americans?

things have changed. See Bilmoure's earlier post. God told Bush it was okay. Obviously these Iraqis are satan's minions and God has annointed W to do his righteous bidding here on earth.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by taxwonk
I'm not denigrating religion or dumbing down morality. I'm simply asking you a series of questions and you're answering them. If religion and morality are getting dumbed down, then consider whose giving the reponses.

From a political calculation, the mockery inherent in this game is what dooms the party you seem to support. Why do they hate God so? I trust in him. Apparently he trusts in W.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
This post makes no sense. I am suggesting that Kennedy is a killer. And Clinton is a person of interest in a few killings. How that relates to anything else you wrote I don't know. Why would you want to defend there defenseless misdeeds? Do you approve of rape and murder?

You said you were relying on the Second Amendment to protect your property rights from, inter alia, the murderers. I asked you who you meant by the murderers. You replied you were referring to the Kennedys and the Clintons.

I asked you: (i) why you felt these people from the East were coming after your property; and (ii) why, if, as you maintain, killing is wrong absolutely, you felt you could reconcile a willingness to kill these people with a moral life lived in accordance with what is absolutely Right and forsaking what is absolutely Wrong?

I never offered any defense, or indeed, any comment at all on the kennedys or the Clintons. I don't view them as relevant to our discussion, Penske. We are debating whether there are absolute Right and Wrong, and why you seem to feel that you can claim to be superior to others, myself included, for respecting these absolutes when, in fact, you don't respect them.

Once again, Penske, you are ducking the issue. Is killing an absolute Wrong? And if it is, then how can you support war and a right to bear arms?

These are the things you claim to believe. Help me understand.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
And hasn't he paid for it enough?

The usual charge is about $50 or so.

Clinton paid with extraordinary public humiliation, untold private misery (i.e his marriage), and several pounds of flesh............


efs

1. It's not my fault he's a dumbass. I could have advised him, "hookers and booze", but he didn't ask me.

2. It's important on the cusp of his attempt at a tacit 3rd term, that the people be reminded of his sins. Those who ignore history.......

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I didn't say lying was a relative wrong. I solely said lying under oath is absolutely wrong.

But I asked you if lying was an absolute wrong and your reply was that lying under oath was. Do you wish to revisit your reply?

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Ah. Thanks for explaining.

Does that sandwich board get heavy? Or did the space-aliens give you an exoskeleton?

There used to be a guy with a sandwich board on Michigan Avenue. For years, his board said that Al Gore had been abducted by aliens and replaced by a robot. Now that I think about it, it was probably Penske.

To be honest, his presence always did brighten up the day.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I didn't say there was anything not wrong about taking any lives in particular, I was just pointing out that assuming Bush is responsible for 2000 deaths, his predecessor was responsible for 3000, which is 1000 more wrong.

If a wrong is absolute, then relative numbers don't matter. Bush is as bad as Clinton.

Check.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by taxwonk
You said you were relying on the Second Amendment to protect your property rights from, inter alia, the murderers. I asked you who you meant by the murderers. You replied you were referring to the Kennedys and the Clintons.

I asked you: (i) why you felt these people from the East were coming after your property; and (ii) why, if, as you maintain, killing is wrong absolutely, you felt you could reconcile a willingness to kill these people with a moral life lived in accordance with what is absolutely Right and forsaking what is absolutely Wrong?

I never offered any defense, or indeed, any comment at all on the kennedys or the Clintons. I don't view them as relevant to our discussion, Penske. We are debating whether there are absolute Right and Wrong, and why you seem to feel that you can claim to be superior to others, myself included, for respecting these absolutes when, in fact, you don't respect them.

Once again, Penske, you are ducking the issue. Is killing an absolute Wrong? And if it is, then how can you support war and a right to bear arms?

These are the things you claim to believe. Help me understand.

God told W the war was okay. See Bilmoure's post.

I haven't killed anyone. the 2nd amendment is a deterrent to those who might otherwise make a move. as for the people from the East coming to take my property, it happens every year. The IRS invades my home through the USMail and robs me of cash.