Making Baby Jesus Cry

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Spanky
They were in every major local newspaper for days, and on one day, on the cover of the Chronicle and the Mercury. In the Mercury the picture was the entire top half of the page. On the evening news I could not get away from that picture. It was lead on every local channel.

Not the LA Times. FWIW.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Spanky
How can you possibly deny that what I quoted from you was defense of Nagin?

I'm not defending the man, I'm saying that if he had been replaced by someone of normal or exceptional competence, that person would have gotten many more people out of New Orleans, but that many more people still would have opted to stay. It is my belief that most of the people who stayed did so because they opted to ride out the storm, not because they lacked a ride, notwithstanding that a significant number of people lacked a ride. That's all.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
If you think the "signature image" is something that illustrates government unpreparedness, you are lacking some basic humanity. See my other post. I understand the significance of the picture, but believe that anyone who says it is the defining image of the moment is thinking too hard and not feeling.

I apologize to you and Penske and everyone else for getting my news from places other than CNN and FOX, and for going to Napa Valley yesterday instead of watching TV.

Have you picked up a paper since the Hurricane?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Spanky
Have you picked up a paper since the Hurricane?

I have read the San Francisco Chronicle every day, and do not recall seeing any such picture. I just re-reviewed the front section of today's Chron, and it contains no such photo. I do not read the Mercury -- sorry.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
CNN.com is reporting that a state official has indicated that the Superdomw will likely be demolished. I have added a point for that call to each of our Probably Right columns. I'd go back on the FB to determine who was so foolish as to disagree with us, but that seems like too much work. Instead, I'll just assume it was Hank.

Always a good rule of thumb, and in this case having the added benefit of being correct!

[Nut Case, Sensitive]

Originally posted by Spanky
They were in every major local newspaper for days, and on one day, on the cover of the Chronicle and the Mercury. In the Mercury the picture was the entire top half of the page. On the evening news I could not get away from that picture. It was lead on every local channel.

You don't find it odd that Ty was able to find all sorts of quotes about the Federal governments screw ups but never saw this picture or heard about the buses. Not to mention the fact that Penske had pointed it out a few hundred times. In addition, don't you find his scepticism of their validity of these pictures a little off the charts. Of course these were not photoshopped. The photoshopped stuff is to parody people. Why would he photo shop a straight photograph trying to make up something that didn't happen. Has he done that before?

Once he was convinced of their validity, why would he defend the fact that these buses were left their to get flooded and critisize the fact that people are focusing on these pictures. Am I the only one sensing a pattern here?

FWIW, the Chronicle (the web site is called "sfgate") doesn't show any articles or pictures if I search various forms of bus, buses, school bus, etc. with New Orleans. I can't get access to the Mercury on-line. I had never seen the pictures in many hours of television viewing.

A broader search found the story reported by the Socialist Worker, the Cuban press, and a few clearly conservative blogs. I understand why you couldn't produce the cite now. I'd been wondering why no one just posted a cite.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I'm not defending the man, I'm saying that if he had been replaced by someone of normal or exceptional competence, that person would have gotten many more people out of New Orleans, but that many more people still would have opted to stay. It is my belief that most of the people who stayed did so because they opted to ride out the storm, not because they lacked a ride, notwithstanding that a significant number of people lacked a ride. That's all.

So Nagin's incompetance cost lives. Why does it matter how many lives? Wouldn't have one life been enough? Why can't you just acknowledge that you now have strong evidence that Nagin screwed up? Why do you have to throw in that many people would have chosen to stay. We all know that, but that in no way mitigates the screw up which your phrase seemed to imply (along with not having a direct criticism of Nagin).

[Nut Case, Sensitive]

Originally posted by Spanky
So Nagin's incompetance cost lives. Why does it matter how many lives? Wouldn't have one life been enough? Why can't you just acknowledge that you now have strong evidence that Nagin screwed up? Why do you have to throw in that many people would have chosen to stay. We all know that, but that in no way mitigates the screw up which your phrase seemed to imply (along with not having a direct criticism of Nagin).

Are you on board with Nuts to All of Them?

Any culpability for Bush in all these rants?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky
Of course these were not photoshopped. The photoshopped stuff is to parody people. Why would he photo shop a straight photograph trying to make up something that didn't happen. Has he done that before?

Let's get this straight, the answer is no. The parodies are obvious for what they are, on top of which, many come from parody sites such as strangecosmos.com and sacredcowburgers.com. The logos of such parody sites are right on the pictures.

for Ty or Gatti (or even ncs, but less so her, and not because I once crushed her, but more because she does not have the history with the PB that the other two do) to claim that the parodies influenced their ability to judge the others for what they were or to claim that I have ever made a "serious" comment that was a blatant lie and attempted to use a doctored photo to bolster that lie is incredibly disengenuous and both of them should apologize to the board for their jackassinine behaviour.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Nut Case, Sensitive
FWIW, the Chronicle (the web site is called "sfgate") doesn't show any articles or pictures if I search various forms of bus, buses, school bus, etc. with New Orleans. I can't get access to the Mercury on-line. I had never seen the pictures in many hours of television viewing.

A broader search found the story reported by the Socialist Worker, the Cuban press, and a few clearly conservative blogs. I understand why you couldn't produce the cite now. I'd been wondering why no one just posted a cite.

What does this mean? Are you questioning the veracity of the story? The pics? Are deep is the liberal denial?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Spanky
Why can't you just acknowledge that you now have strong evidence that Nagin screwed up?

Because I adhere to my zero-tolerance policy of ignoring images posted by Penske on this board. I just can't afford to encourage him. Think of the children. And because my brief web-searching not too long ago turned up zero stories explaining why all those buses could have been left to sit there, and I got distracted by something else. Still waiting for one of you well-read types to post something about it here. Pointing me to the SF Chronicle didn't help, since I seemed to get a mutant copy from which all such pictures had been mysteriously excised.

Why do you have to throw in that many people would have chosen to stay. We all know that, but that in no way mitigates the screw up which your phrase seemed to imply (along with not having a direct criticism of Nagin).

My name is Tyrone, not "you people." And I threw it in because it underscores that Nagin is not the only official whose screw-ups may have been material.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
What does this mean? Are you questioning the veracity of the story? The pics? Are deep is the liberal denial?

It means that Spanky may have been mistaken when he declared that the Signature Photo of the Hurricane was "in every major local newspaper for days." The man literally "could not get away from that picture," as "it was lead on every local channel."

Nice try, but your attempt to drag his point back to some false debate over whether the pictures were real or not. Is anyone else here sensing a pattern?

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Nut Case, Sensitive
FWIW, the Chronicle (the web site is called "sfgate") doesn't show any articles or pictures if I search various forms of bus, buses, school bus, etc. with New Orleans. I can't get access to the Mercury on-line. I had never seen the pictures in many hours of television viewing.

A broader search found the story reported by the Socialist Worker, the Cuban press, and a few clearly conservative blogs. I understand why you couldn't produce the cite now. I'd been wondering why no one just posted a cite.

I hate to do this to you, but I just got off the phone with one of the editors of the San Francisco Chronicle and he told me they did report about the buses and that they cited many examples of Nagins mistakes and screwups (if you email me I will send you his name and title). He can't remember if they actually printed that same photograph. In addition, he said that Nagin has been pointing his finger at everyone and only a blind man could not see that this guy has royall screwed up (if you have read his paper).

I know it was on the cover of the San Jose Mercury News. If it wasn't the chronicle it was the Palo Alto dailey because I saw it on the front page of at least two papers in the bins.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop




My name is Tyrone, not "you people."

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[Spanky]

Originally posted by Gattigap
It means that Spanky may have been mistaken when he declared that the Signature Photo of the Hurricane was "in every major local newspaper for days." The man literally "could not get away from that picture," as "it was lead on every local channel."

I still stand by that statement. It was everywhere. It was discussed in editorials etc. But the point is moot because Penske talked about it on this board, so we know Ty was aware of it.