Waiting for Fitzgerald - Page 203

Hank Chinaski · 10-12-2005, 10:09 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Who's Balt?

the new blue jeans that Ruby insists on. duh. (anyone read these books?)

Spanky · 10-12-2005, 10:33 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
How would overruling Miranda cause riots or anything close? It would be quite possible to overrule most of it, while keeping some test to ensure that confessions have not been coerced, and still retain all of its prophylactic goodness.

Overturning Miranda would not cause riots. I was not clear on my point. I don't think overturning Miranda would be that big of a deal. But the court thought it was such a big deal that even though justices wouldn't have voted for it the first, it was so much part of the culture that they voted to keep it. If they didn't want to overturn Miranda because they thought it was too ingrained in the culture and because the negative impact would be too great they are never going to overturn Roe. That was my point.

Like I said, I wish they had overturned Miranda. But if they are to scared to overturn a precedent when the practical effect would not be all that great they are never going to overturn Roe.

Spanky · 10-12-2005, 10:36 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
You and I could run on a platform of legalizing date rape, free guns and forced abortions for every second pregnancy and beat Hillary. The Rabid Right and moderates old enough to recall that crazy twist's attempt to whipsaw Bubba into pushing for nationalized healthcare will trample Hillary into beef jerky.

She will be the end of the Democratic Party. The Suicide Candidate... Queen Midas in Reverse (at 5000 rpm).

I have seen some focus groups on her. I think you are wrong. The far right hates her but the middle of the road sort of likes her and the far left absolutely love her.

Penske_Account · 10-12-2005, 10:39 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
I have seen some focus groups on her. I think you are wrong. The far right hates her but the middle of the road sort of likes her and the far left absolutely love her.

How about if some of the truth comes out during the campaign? Like the revelations that the SwiftBoatVets brought out about Kerry?

Spanky · 10-12-2005, 10:56 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
How about if some of the truth comes out during the campaign? Like the revelations that the SwiftBoatVets brought out about Kerry?

I am way too much of an amateur to speculate on the effect her past might have. However, I believe that some new stuff would have to come up because the old stuff has already been beat to death. However, I think she has been pretty thoroughly investigated so I can't see that happening.

But you never know.

Penske_Account · 10-12-2005, 11:05 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
I am way too much of an amateur to speculate on the effect her past might have. However, I believe that some new stuff would have to come up because the old stuff has already been beat to death. However, I think she has been pretty thoroughly investigated so I can't see that happening.

But you never know.

Does a bimbo eruption from her hubbie help her or hurt her?

Spanky · 10-12-2005, 11:20 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Does a bimbo eruption from her hubbie help her or hurt her?

I don't think it effects her. Neutral.

Penske_Account · 10-12-2005, 11:48 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
I don't think it effects her. Neutral.

Come on Spank, she's not invincible, what's her kryptonite?

Gattigap · 10-13-2005, 10:52 AM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Come on Spank, she's not invincible, what's her kryptonite?

Indeed! After all, we have plans. BIG plans.

bilmore · 10-13-2005, 10:57 AM

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Come on Spank, she's not invincible, what's her kryptonite?

Same as Kerry's - a growing public realization that she's been making concerted efforts to hide her very liberal core beliefs behind a moderate cloak.

Secret_Agent_Man · 10-13-2005, 11:19 AM

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Same as Kerry's - a growing public realization that she's been making concerted efforts to hide her very liberal core beliefs behind a moderate cloak.

[::Cue creepy music::]

MWAAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!

[::End Music::]

Sort of a parallel to Bush studying "Hooked on Phonics"?

S_A_M

taxwonk · 10-13-2005, 11:23 AM

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Originally posted by bilmore
Doubt it. Strongly. Hilary does have a group of right-wingers who hate her with a passion. So does McCain. And they're the same people. So their impact in such a contest would be minimal.

On the other hand, McCain has a group of moderate Democrats that would cross party lines to vote for McCain. I know I would over most Democrats likely to be able to win the nomination.

taxwonk · 10-13-2005, 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
... It would be quite possible to overrule most of it, while keeping some test to ensure that confessions have not been coerced, and still retain all of its prophylactic goodness.

This sounds like you are talking about flavored condoms.

soup sandwich · 10-13-2005, 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by bilmore
For some, yeah. For most, it's like, we've been waiting for this chance for eons, it's THE most important change Bush can make, and the idea that we should take a chance that Bush (and Bush alone) "knows her heart" - that fries us. There's too much at stake to just trust him on this. This is The Big Chance, and the people who we thought of as being the best nominees would have, by definition, provoked a fight, but the fight ain't the thing - it's just a symptom.

I'm still a little confused about the reaction. Isn't one of Bush's strong points the fact that he has conviction and he will do what he thinks is right for the country no matter how popular it may be?

A comparison:
I liked Clinton as a president but one thing that drove me nuts about him was the way he always waited to determine which direction the wind was blowing before making a decision. This, to me, is the opposite of leadership. Clinton was once asked why he didn't invade Afghanistan to get Bin Laden after the 1993 WTC bombing or after the USS Cole attack or after the African embassy bombings. His reply was that the country was not ready for it. This is utter BS. He should have forced the country to take some measures to ensure such attacks would cease. He should have been a leader.

In the case of this nomination, Bush is leading. He is making an unpopular decision he believes is right for the country. And he is being crucified for it.

So, is Bush only being a leader and showing conviction when he makes decisions unpopular with the left? I mean, do you all trust him as the leader of this country or not? Where is the benefit of the doubt?

Secret_Agent_Man · 10-13-2005, 11:52 AM

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On the other hand, McCain has a group of moderate Democrats that would cross party lines to vote for McCain. I know I would over most Democrats likely to be able to win the nomination.

McCain and Kerry are the only candidates I've ever donated cash to support, for different reasons. (I donated to McCain because I actually like and respect him.)

S_A_M