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09-16-2005, 01:39 AM
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For what it's worth
Join Date: Feb 2005
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London Calling
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Originally posted by Not Bob
Uh, spank, we won the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812. And we fought them so that we *didn't* have to give a shit about England anymore.
They also don't have jury trials in criminal cases for the most part. I guess if England can live with that, we can, too, eh?
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Yes - if we didn't have jury trials OJ might be in prison right now. I am not all that enamoured with the Jury system either. Having 12 idiots that couldn't get out of jury duty decide my fate doesn't sound all that great to me.
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09-16-2005, 01:41 AM
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#213
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For what it's worth
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: With Thumper
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Exclusionary Rule
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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Sure, but why is it the best way to protect those rights? What if the rule were that any evidence even if seized unlawfully were admissable, but that the cop(s) who obtained it were automatically discharged and put in jail for a year? (and it didn't require a lawsuit by the defendant, but rather just a motion in court) I'll bet you'd have fewer illegal searches that you do now, and you'd put away the criminal.
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Exactly. Well put.
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09-16-2005, 01:46 AM
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#214
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For what it's worth
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: With Thumper
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Penalizing the Cops
I had a friend that pointed out that if you put huge penalties on the cops for doing illegal search and seizures they may stop doing them altogther and therefore stop catching criminals. My response to him was that it is a lot less corrosive to the system if the evidence is never found in the first place than if it is found and then ignored.
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09-16-2005, 02:04 AM
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WacKtose Intolerant
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: PenskeWorld
Posts: 11,627
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London Calling
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Originally posted by Spanky
Yes - if we didn't have jury trials OJ might be in prison right now. I am not all that enamoured with the Jury system either. Having 12 idiots that couldn't get out of jury duty decide my fate doesn't sound all that great to me.
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2. I invented the OJ response to Not_bob.
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09-16-2005, 07:40 AM
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#216
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 188
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BREAKING NEWS....
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Originally posted by notcasesensitive
How old is Ty now? I think some timelines are getting a bit blurry here.
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Do you mean your now or my now?
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09-16-2005, 09:02 AM
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Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Pop goes the chupacabra
Posts: 18,532
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Penalizing the Cops
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Originally posted by Spanky
I had a friend that pointed out that if you put huge penalties on the cops for doing illegal search and seizures they may stop doing them altogther and therefore stop catching criminals. My response to him was that it is a lot less corrosive to the system if the evidence is never found in the first place than if it is found and then ignored.
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Change my proposal to jailing the chief of police and discharging him. The penalties don't hve to be put directly on the cops--put the penalty on the department, and they'll have an incentive to keep things clean.
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09-16-2005, 10:41 AM
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Caustically Optimistic
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: The City That Reads
Posts: 2,385
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THIS JUST IN . . . .
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
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Am I on ignore?
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09-16-2005, 11:06 AM
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#219
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Proud Holder-Post 200,000
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Corner Office
Posts: 86,129
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THIS JUST IN . . . .
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Originally posted by baltassoc
Am I on ignore?
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We can ignore an admin's boyfriend?
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09-16-2005, 11:43 AM
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Consigliere
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Pelosi Land!
Posts: 9,477
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THIS JUST IN . . . .
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Hank Chinaski
We can ignore an admin's boyfriend?
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Ask Shifter.
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09-16-2005, 12:08 PM
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#221
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Proud Holder-Post 200,000
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Corner Office
Posts: 86,129
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THIS JUST IN . . . .
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Ask Shifter.
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Can't, I have him on ignore. ............... Oh! Okay.
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09-16-2005, 12:40 PM
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World Ruler
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 12,057
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Rove's Stones
Couldn't happen to a more deserving guy. I love the 4th paragraph.
"Never mind those planned congressional hearings on the hows and whys of government incompetence in the attempt to cope with Hurricane Katrina.
There were not only logistical and bureaucratic troubles but, astonishingly for the Bush White House, political snafus. Maybe there's a simple explanation: Karl Rove's kidney stones.
Washington insiders have been buzzing that President Bush's guru-in-chief - often called "Bush's Brain" - has been suffering from the painful urinary-tract malady for the past couple of weeks, causing him to miss some key Katrina strategy sessions.
I'm told that the 54-year-old deputy White House chief of staff - who apparently was feeling well enough yesterday to travel outside the nation's capital - visited the hospital, possibly twice, to relieve his agony since Labor Day.
White House officials declined to speak on the record about Rove's kidney stones, due to the extreme delicacy of discussions about internal organs of top presidential advisers.
But the National Institutes of Health define a kidney stone as "a hard mass developed from crystals that separate from the urine and build up on the inner surfaces of the kidney. ... Usually, the first symptom of a kidney stone is extreme pain, which occurs when a stone acutely blocks the flow of urine. ... Sometimes nausea and vomiting occur. Later, pain may spread to the groin."
My esteemed colleague and Daily News Washington Bureau chief, Tom DeFrank, who has also suffered from the condition, yesterday told me: 'The pain, depending on the size of the stone, goes from horrible to excruciating.'
DeFrank added: 'Karl may be a certified political genius, but there's no way he could be in a meeting dispensing advice to anybody. The only thing he could dispense would be low, pitiable moans.'"
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/goss...p-296015c.html
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09-16-2005, 12:55 PM
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#223
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Random Syndicate (admin)
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Romantically enfranchised
Posts: 14,276
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Rove's Stones
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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Couldn't happen to a more deserving guy. I love the 4th paragraph.
"Never mind those planned congressional hearings on the hows and whys of government incompetence in the attempt to cope with Hurricane Katrina.
There were not only logistical and bureaucratic troubles but, astonishingly for the Bush White House, political snafus. Maybe there's a simple explanation: Karl Rove's kidney stones.
Washington insiders have been buzzing that President Bush's guru-in-chief - often called "Bush's Brain" - has been suffering from the painful urinary-tract malady for the past couple of weeks, causing him to miss some key Katrina strategy sessions.
I'm told that the 54-year-old deputy White House chief of staff - who apparently was feeling well enough yesterday to travel outside the nation's capital - visited the hospital, possibly twice, to relieve his agony since Labor Day.
White House officials declined to speak on the record about Rove's kidney stones, due to the extreme delicacy of discussions about internal organs of top presidential advisers.
But the National Institutes of Health define a kidney stone as "a hard mass developed from crystals that separate from the urine and build up on the inner surfaces of the kidney. ... Usually, the first symptom of a kidney stone is extreme pain, which occurs when a stone acutely blocks the flow of urine. ... Sometimes nausea and vomiting occur. Later, pain may spread to the groin."
My esteemed colleague and Daily News Washington Bureau chief, Tom DeFrank, who has also suffered from the condition, yesterday told me: 'The pain, depending on the size of the stone, goes from horrible to excruciating.'
DeFrank added: 'Karl may be a certified political genius, but there's no way he could be in a meeting dispensing advice to anybody. The only thing he could dispense would be low, pitiable moans.'"
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/goss...p-296015c.html
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I am going to hell.
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09-16-2005, 01:00 PM
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#224
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Serenity Now
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Survivor Island
Posts: 7,007
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Penalizing the Cops
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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Change my proposal to jailing the chief of police and discharging him. The penalties don't hve to be put directly on the cops--put the penalty on the department, and they'll have an incentive to keep things clean.
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Or an incentive not to investigate, which would be the result if any of these assinine theories were put into practice.
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09-16-2005, 01:04 PM
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#225
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Serenity Now
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Survivor Island
Posts: 7,007
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I Love This Idea
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