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Originally posted by sgtclub
Do you really believed he lied? I don't think you or any of the pols really believe that. And that is what is so infuriating about this whole thing. It is completely undermining our efforts in Iraq and around the world.
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As Mark Schmitt said in the thing I linked to, asking the question about whether he lied misses the larger point. They made up their mind about what to do, and then cherry-picked facts and evidence to support it. If they lied, it was because they went too far in selling what was a shaky case. But the more fundamental problem was not the misrepresentation -- it's that these clowns settled on an Iraq policy, and a war, without caring about the actual facts. Yielding the mess we have now.
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I have no problem with an honest policy debate - i.e., should we stay or should we go and if so, when. But the Dems and some GOPs are conflating the question of whether we should have gone in the first place with should we be there now. They are clearly two different questions and the ramifications of not distinguishing between the two, IMO, will be ugly.
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I agree completely. I obviously think it was a mistake to go in, but now that we are there, we need to figure out how best to handle the situation, and I am not convinced -- yet -- that this means withdrawal. OTOH, it's clear that the presence of our troops is aggravating some problems, and the Iraqis may not get as serious about solving their security problems as long as we are there to keep shooting at the insurgents. (The same people who love to talk about the disincentives created by welfare seem to have a very hard time understanding this.)
