Hail to the Chief
 

More evidence that it'll be Prez Hillary in 2008:

"Half of all pregnancies in the United States are unintended, and nearly half of those are terminated," Clinton said. "Making contraception more accessible and affordable is critical to reducing the number of unintended pregnancies."

Smartest way to appeal to both sides of that particular fight I've seen. Others have certainly tried, but she seems to be saying the right things in a better way.

(Just so there's no question: I don't like her. I just think she's inevitable.)

Tyrone Slothrop, raging hypocrite.
 

You think that even the easier standard of proof required (to show what Teri would have wanted) was not met. i.e., there is reasonable doubt whether Teri would have wanted her tube pulled. In light of this, I think it's fucked up that you are criticizing Bilmore and such.

Tom DeLay, raging hypocrite.
 

Uh, no. If she were brain dead the stem would be gone too and it wouldn't be as big of an issue.

Tom DeLay, raging hypocrite.
 

Because the situtation was the same: no living will; an "expression" of desire to family members. If you want to argue about the strength of teh evidence, fine, but since you've been saying "sign the paper" for the last week, Charles Delay's failure to do so should have the same repercussions, no?

Tom DeLay, raging hypocrite.
 

I was right about Friday at around 3:00. I was wrong about the patient. We removed the vent from my great-uncle a few weeks ago and were waiting for the old man's friend to come and take him. He aspirated on the feeding tube and died on Friday.

Tom DeLay, raging hypocrite.
 

Don't get technical with me. You and I could discuss this but it would go over the heads of Ty and them. What I meant was she can no longer express her wishes. And Burger- there was no disagreement as to Delay Sr. wishes amongst his family, was there?

Tom DeLay, raging hypocrite.
 

Apparently not, but is that a relevant distinction if your concern is hearsay and strength of evidence? Is 5 people repeating the same hearsay more reliable than one? Maybe they're just agreeing to off the old coot?

Tyrone Slothrop, raging hypocrite.
 

Naw, that's just what we do.

Shame on You
 

To the contrary. I have no problem at with an arbitrary line. For instance, I draw mine at death.

Tom DeLay, raging hypocrite.
 

Do I have to google the quote about this being an attack on the Republican majority and on Tom Delay, or do you remember it?

Tom DeLay, raging hypocrite.
 

It is a bit unseemly to drag a family's gut-wrenching end of life decisions into the public arena, isn't it?

Even if they are already public, it is a bit unseemly to shove one's nose in and use them to score political points, isn't it? As Tom has sowed, so shall he reap.

I wonder why you think that the religious fundamentalists whom Delay and Bush (x2) are sucking up to on this issue would really care what the patient wanted. That isn't the point for most of them -- as a matter of doctrine it is irrelevant.

S_A_M

Tom DeLay, raging hypocrite.
 

That's the problem with letting the "pull the plug" decision to be made based upon anything other that a witnessed document. But apparently we do.

That's not really your question, though. You ask the hypo; "If Delay lied about his father's wishes and pulled the plug to 'off the old coot'- is his behavior in the present case hypocritical?"

Let me extend an olive branch of agreement with your hypo.

Hail to the Chief
 

That's a whole lot like what Bill used to say.

S_A_M

Hail to the Chief
 

Bill wasn't for contraception- he was more an advocate of the pull out technique.

Tyrone Slothrop, raging hypocrite.
 

What I was trying to say is that many of those who are siding with her parents are not acting in bad faith, and that there are things said in the media that might lead someone to reasonably question what her husband has done. In other words, I don't necessarily question the motives of everyone who reaches different conclusions about the case than I have.

DeLay, on the other hand, seems to have been suggesting to political supporters in recent days that she should be kept alive without regard to what she would have wanted, a view inconsistent with how he and his family dealt with his father's situation. I question DeLay's motives. He is a political opportunist.

If everyone approached these questions as bilmore does, the conversation would be a very different one. Where bilmore goes most wrong, IMHO, is in suggesting that Tom DeLay and others are thinking about the case like he is.