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Pretty Little Flower 06-30-2022 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 533228)
Same same.

Although election results are anecdotes in Minnesota? That was Trump’s claim about election results IIRC?

I didn’t read your links. Or, to be honest, much of your post. I’m not sure if I mentioned this earlier, but I don’t care.

Tyrone Slothrop 06-30-2022 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 533220)
Really? Why do you think that?

Because many, many people have written about it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...working-class/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...n-they-appear/

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...my-prri-survey

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ump-exit-polls

Trump voters are full of grievances, but that doesn't mean that they are worse off than other people, just that they feel more entitled.

Tyrone Slothrop 06-30-2022 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 533221)
Some times you say the Rs will kill the D’s in November but other times you say if Roe is overturned then the D’s will win big.

Can you pick one so we proceed well advised?

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No, he cannot.
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sebastian_dangerfield 06-30-2022 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 533231)
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No, he cannot.
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I don’t care either. See you in another country. I’ll still complain there. I’m eternally bitchy.

sebastian_dangerfield 06-30-2022 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 533230)
Because many, many people have written about it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...working-class/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...n-they-appear/

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...my-prri-survey

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ump-exit-polls

Trump voters are full of grievances, but that doesn't mean that they are worse off than other people, just that they feel more entitled.

Try to reply to Hank. Or don’t. I don’t care. He and I live where shit matters in terms of voting and such. You do you, and enjoy November.

Hank Chinaski 07-01-2022 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 533230)
Because many, many people have written about it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...working-class/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...n-they-appear/

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...my-prri-survey

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ump-exit-polls

Trump voters are full of grievances, but that doesn't mean that they are worse off than other people, just that they feel more entitled.

I've written about it too.

Adder 07-01-2022 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 533227)
You asked a question, I was curious, did a quick Google search and sent you some results. Your anecdotes don’t really persuade me the articles are not accurate, but I also don’t really care. Just trying to be helpful. Because I am a good Lawtalkers citizen.

A very simple way to think about it is that his supporters are white. The set of white people in this country, overall, is more affluent than the set of people.

Hank Chinaski 07-01-2022 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 533235)
A very simple way to think about it is that his supporters are white. The set of white people in this country, overall, is more affluent than the set of people.

Exactly, which is why looking at "average" misses Sebby's point.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-01-2022 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 533235)
A very simple way to think about it is that his supporters are white. The set of white people in this country, overall, is more affluent than the set of people.

But it's not just that. The more affluent a white person is, the more likely they are to vote for Trump. It's really not in question.

What confuses things somewhat is that more affluent parts of the country (coastal and urban areas) and of states (cities) are more likely not to.

Hank can post results from Macomb County, and they tell you something, but they don't tell you who in Macomb County voted for Trump and who didn't. Neither do the jackasses who drive around with flags on their trucks. I saw one of those yesterday in Santa Cruz County, but so what.

sebastian_dangerfield 07-01-2022 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 533237)
But it's not just that. The more affluent a white person is, the more likely they are to vote for Trump. It's really not in question.

What confuses things somewhat is that more affluent parts of the country (coastal and urban areas) and of states (cities) are more likely not to.

Hank can post results from Macomb County, and they tell you something, but they don't tell you who in Macomb County voted for Trump and who didn't. Neither do the jackasses who drive around with flags on their trucks. I saw one of those yesterday in Santa Cruz County, but so what.

Trump voters tend to have higher levels of “economic anxiety” than others. You can look it up. There are numerous studies on it.

As Hank put it, they have “something to lose.”

You rephrase “something to lose” as “entitlement.” I think it’s a mixed bag. I think some Trump voters think they are entitled to something. I think an equal, or perhaps greater, number of them are anxious.

Both groups are highly susceptible to racist and xenophobic messaging, as they are searching for someone to blame for circumstances beyond their control. This need to blame others also manifests itself in distrust of institutions, which they also blame.

How much of the racism within Trumpism is attributable to native long-standing racism versus racism created by recent economic anxiety? Unknown. But when people say things like, “Trumpism is primarily based on underlying racist attitudes,” they are making a gross and unsupportable generalization. They are missing a huge component of Trumpism, which is racism caused by economic anxiety. And that is a very distinct form of racism.

sebastian_dangerfield 07-01-2022 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 533237)
But it's not just that. The more affluent a white person is, the more likely they are to vote for Trump. It's really not in question.

What confuses things somewhat is that more affluent parts of the country (coastal and urban areas) and of states (cities) are more likely not to.

Hank can post results from Macomb County, and they tell you something, but they don't tell you who in Macomb County voted for Trump and who didn't. Neither do the jackasses who drive around with flags on their trucks. I saw one of those yesterday in Santa Cruz County, but so what.

It is not true that the more affluent person is, the more likely they are to vote for Trump. The more affluent a person is, the less they give a shit who is in office. Or, the more able they are to vote against their own economic interests without consequence.

Hank Chinaski 07-01-2022 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 533237)
But it's not just that. The more affluent a white person is, the more likely they are to vote for Trump. It's really not in question.

Which of the articles you linked prove this?

Icky Thump 07-01-2022 06:06 PM

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Good lord we are a dumb fucking world.

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Tyrone Slothrop 07-01-2022 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 533238)
Trump voters tend to have higher levels of “economic anxiety” than others. You can look it up. There are numerous studies on it.

As Hank put it, they have “something to lose.”

You rephrase “something to lose” as “entitlement.” I think it’s a mixed bag. I think some Trump voters think they are entitled to something. I think an equal, or perhaps greater, number of them are anxious.

Both groups are highly susceptible to racist and xenophobic messaging, as they are searching for someone to blame for circumstances beyond their control. This need to blame others also manifests itself in distrust of institutions, which they also blame.

How much of the racism within Trumpism is attributable to native long-standing racism versus racism created by recent economic anxiety? Unknown. But when people say things like, “Trumpism is primarily based on underlying racist attitudes,” they are making a gross and unsupportable generalization. They are missing a huge component of Trumpism, which is racism caused by economic anxiety. And that is a very distinct form of racism.

None of what you say here is inconsistent with what Adder said, and what Hank pushed back on, which is that Trump voters "are not the economically downtrodden. They are just white people."

I agree with you that they think they have something to lose. That's what I said too. I think it's as much about social status as economic status, but the two are obviously quite connected.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-01-2022 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 533239)
It is not true that the more affluent person is, the more likely they are to vote for Trump.

Isn't it pretty to think so, but there is actual data on this, and you are wrong.


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