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bilmore 04-26-2005 10:53 PM

Write what you know
 
Turns out this was entirely inappropriate.

Thank goodness for "edit".

bilmore 04-26-2005 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
I'm not bitter, just confused. When I respond to you seriously, you get all pissy because I'm not giving you room for humor.

When I make a joke (and c'mon -- "The Belle Curve" -- that was funny shit) then you get all snide and smug and accuse me of being insufficiently intellectual because I reject the book without reading it.

Anyway. Good to know that there is room for humor again. Whenever Bilmore's sense of moral and intellectual superiority doesn't squeeze it out.
Look asshole (okay, this is the humor part again - I think I need to be more clear), when you give three or so responses that are based on "this is just a racist joke, right?", to comments on a work that I take seriously - do YOU give any weight to the idea that kids grow up as they are taught? - and say that I - I?! - am getting too moral and pissy - I start to get riled. And, maybe I'm too tense. ("Two tents." There's an Indian joke in there that I can't remember.) So, anyway, sorry, we just didn't hook up today. (Given the FB lines, I'm not all that sorry, of course. MMMFFffMM just doesn't do it for me.)

If I misunderstood, and I suspect I did, I apologize. Now I'm going to do the "round the cities" race. Only stupid people plan a road race when it's 37 degrees.

Oh, yeah - I planned this.

I hope no Mpls cops are reading this.

bilmore 04-26-2005 11:06 PM

For Spanky
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
Andrew Sullivan writes in The New Republic the most comprehensive review I've read so far about the divide in the GOP today between the conservatives of faith and the conservatives of restraint. It's pretty damned long, but worth the read.
Anyone who remembers when Sully deserved respect for his writings - there's a meet-up tomorrow, at the north end of the Bay Bridge, on the west-bound side, on a 4" x 8" sheet of paper. We may have booked too large of a room.

Tyrone Slothrop 04-27-2005 01:55 AM

For Spanky
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
Anyone who remembers when Sully deserved respect for his writings - there's a meet-up tomorrow, at the north end of the Bay Bridge, on the west-bound side, on a 4" x 8" sheet of paper. We may have booked too large of a room.
I'll agree that Sully is a little erratic lately, but I thought that piece had some interesting moments to it. (See, e.g., this.)

Spanky 04-27-2005 02:09 AM

The hits just keep on comin'...
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
More DeLay news....

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...054596,00.html
Couldn't access it.

Spanky 04-27-2005 02:32 AM

For Spanky
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
Andrew Sullivan writes in The New Republic the most comprehensive review I've read so far about the divide in the GOP today between the conservatives of faith and the conservatives of restraint. It's pretty damned long, but worth the read.
This article to me seemed rather confusing. I really consider myself a Neo-Liberal Republican. In other words; that Democracy and human rights are universal goods that should be shared by all human beings. I believe that free markets not only complement freedom and human rights, but the free market system provides the best standard of living for all strata of society. I also think people should be free of government intervention in their personal lives. Our Foreign policy should be focused on spreading our values to the rest of the world (because they are universal values). And I don't mean Moral values. I mean our values of human rights, popular soveriegnty, and the freedom from a government intervening to much in ones personal life.

Economic Philosophy: Free Markets

Social Policy: Government should get out and stay out of people's personal lives

Foreign Policy: Our government should focus on spreading Democracy and Free markets around the world.

To other people that makes me a conservative on Economic policy, a liberal on social policy and a neo-conservative on foreign policy.

I just think it makes me an eighteenth or nineteenth century liberal. Maybe I was born in the wrong century.

Hank Chinaski 04-27-2005 08:51 AM

is this true?
 
http://washingtontimes.com/national/...2723-8623r.htm
  • Wary Democrats discover a severe 'parents gap'


    By Donald Lambro
    THE WASHINGTON TIMES


    An analysis by a Democratic think tank argues that Democrats are suffering from a severe "parent gap" among married people with children, who say the entertainment industry is lowering the moral standards of the country.
    The study, published last week by the Progressive Policy Institute (PPI), the policy arm of the centrist Democratic Leadership Council, admonishes Democrats to pay more attention to parental concerns about "morally corrosive forces in the culture," and warns that the party will not fare better with this pivotal voting bloc until they do.
    In the 2004 election, married parents supported President Bush over Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts by nearly 20 percentage points. Mr. Bush frequently talked about the importance of faith and morals in his campaign and the role that parents played in raising their children.

Anyone else seen this number? Married w/ kids supported Bush by +20? That's amazing, and if true, I can't believe it wasn't highlighted more.

Hank Chinaski 04-27-2005 08:56 AM

The Great Man Speaks
 
http://kennedy.senate.gov/~kennedy/s...005426703.html
  • STATEMENT BY SENATOR EDWARD M. KENNEDY ON ANNIVERSARY OF ABU GHRAIB SCANDAL

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT:

    The sad anniversary of the Abu Ghraib torture scandal is now upon us. It's an appropriate time to reflect on how well we've responded as a nation.

    The images of cruelty, and perversion are still difficult to look at a year later. blah blah........


    Top officials in the Administration have endorsed interrogation methods that we've condemned in other countries, including binding prisoners in painful "stress" positions, threatening them with dogs, extended sleep deprivation, and simulated drownings.

How in the world can this guy have a statement released that mentions drownings? Doesn't his staff see that as something that will make everyone but the Ty's of the world mentally drift back to what a scum sucking life-taker this pig is? I mean, we didn't ACTUALLY drown anyone at Abu did we?

bilmore 04-27-2005 10:35 AM

The Great Man Speaks
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
How in the world can this guy have a statement released that mentions drownings? Doesn't his staff see that as something that will make everyone but the Ty's of the world mentally drift back to what a scum sucking life-taker this pig is? I mean, we didn't ACTUALLY drown anyone at Abu did we?
He's only decrying simulated drownings. He hates the dishonesty of it.

Sidd Finch 04-27-2005 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
Look asshole (okay, this is the humor part again - I think I need to be more clear), when you give three or so responses that are based on "this is just a racist joke, right?", to comments on a work that I take seriously - do YOU give any weight to the idea that kids grow up as they are taught? - and say that I - I?! - am getting too moral and pissy - I start to get riled. And, maybe I'm too tense. ("Two tents." There's an Indian joke in there that I can't remember.) So, anyway, sorry, we just didn't hook up today. (Given the FB lines, I'm not all that sorry, of course. MMMFFffMM just doesn't do it for me.)

You are definitely getting too moral and pissy if you saw my response to the work as a suggestion that it was racist. I was poking fun at something I thought was stupid. I thought, and think, it was stupid because, one, I think the concept of "culture" is far too vague and variable to provide a meaningful explanation of the issue at hand and, two, because I tend to reject this sort of social science approach that says that any complex phenomenon can be traced to a single source (i.e., that we can "rule out" racism, and slavery, and so forth).

I've said that about six times. How do those comments constitute an accusation of racism?

I ask the above question in the full knowledge that you will ignore it because it is inconvenient to your thesis that I am a knee-jerk liberal who immediately cries racism whenever anyone starts talking about white and black people.



eta: The Indian joke is that a guy goes to the medicine man and says "half of me is a teepee and half of me is a wigwam." Relax, you're just too tents.

Replaced_Texan 04-27-2005 02:12 PM

I *heart* the Poor Man.
 
Ironweed should lay low for a few days.

Tyrone Slothrop 04-27-2005 02:29 PM

Can someone explain to me why Congress should be regulating steroid testing for professional sports?

ltl/fb 04-27-2005 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Can someone explain to me why Congress should be regulating steroid testing for professional sports?
It's part of drug enforcement?

Replaced_Texan 04-27-2005 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Can someone explain to me why Congress should be regulating steroid testing for professional sports?
Did you compare and contrast those pictures of Christian Bale?

Tyrone Slothrop 04-27-2005 02:32 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
It's part of drug enforcement?
We already have laws making the use of steroids illegal. I don't get why the federal government has a legitimate interest in ensuring that professional athletes (in particular) don't use these drugs. The effects on sporting competition are just not the government's problem.

ltl/fb 04-27-2005 02:33 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
We already have laws making the use of steroids illegal. I don't get why the federal government has a legitimate interest in ensuring that professional athletes (in particular) don't use these drugs. The effects on sporting competition are just not the government's problem.
OK. I could give a shit . . . I was just throwing something out there in between emails figuring out lunch.

Tyrone Slothrop 04-27-2005 02:34 PM

http://img.slate.msn.com/media/1/123...BDULLAH_sm.jpg

The man never rests in his efforts to promote democracy.

Hank Chinaski 04-27-2005 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Can someone explain to me why Congress should be regulating steroid testing for professional sports?
they should tend to their own house first. I suspect there are some steroid abusers in the Congress.....

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/04...s12kennedy.jpg

http://richard.meek.home.comcast.net/FatTeddy1.JPG

Replaced_Texan 04-27-2005 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
We already have laws making the use of steroids illegal. I don't get why the federal government has a legitimate interest in ensuring that professional athletes (in particular) don't use these drugs. The effects on sporting competition are just not the government's problem.
Actually, I don't think a lot of them are illegal. It's just against the rules to use them. HGH certainly isn't illegal. There may be some off-label uses of a lot of the drugs.

Someone in the state legislature earlier this session submitted a steroid testing bill for high school football programs. He sheepishly withdrew it when pressed on who was going to pay for it.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 04-27-2005 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
The effects on sporting competition are just not the government's problem.
I know Federal Baseball Club of Baltimore, Inc. v. National League of Prof’l Baseball Clubs is still "good" law, but, really, that argument's been made and lost. See also Muhammad Ali Boxing Reform Act.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 04-27-2005 02:43 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
He sheepishly withdrew it when pressed on who was going to pay for it.
Doesn't it depend critically on whether the Longhorns or the Aggies are getting more in-state recruits? I mean, wouldn't want to cut that pipeline.

futbol fan 04-27-2005 02:52 PM

I *heart* the Poor Man.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Ironweed should lay low for a few days.
I'm only Irish on the internet.

Shape Shifter 04-27-2005 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Doesn't it depend critically on whether the Longhorns or the Aggies are getting more in-state recruits? I mean, wouldn't want to cut that pipeline.
And they still can't beat the Sooners.

Tyrone Slothrop 04-27-2005 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
I know Federal Baseball Club of Baltimore, Inc. v. National League of Prof’l Baseball Clubs is still "good" law, but, really, that argument's been made and lost. See also Muhammad Ali Boxing Reform Act.
I do not know these cases of which you speak, but I figured that I'd get some support from all the conservatives hereabouts who complain about how the liberals always think the solution to any problem is more government. If there's harm to sporting competition, why don't the leagues have the proper incentives to address it? Why is that something government should bother with?

Sidd Finch 04-27-2005 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
they should tend to their own house first. I suspect there are some steroid abusers in the Congress.....


Posting fleshy pics of Ted Kennedy is like posting Jocko photos. It's illegal. Don't do it.

Hank Chinaski 04-27-2005 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Posting fleshy pics of Ted Kennedy is like posting Jocko photos. It's illegal. Don't do it.
penske gave me his license

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 04-27-2005 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I do not know these cases of which you speak, but I figured that I'd get some support from all the conservatives hereabouts who complain about how the liberals always think the solution to any problem is more government. If there's harm to sporting competition, why don't the leagues have the proper incentives to address it? Why is that something government should bother with?
I blame FDR. Everything is susceptible of government control. And everything is susceptible of federal government control. At least with football etc. a single state couldn't regulate it, nor could a bunch of states, since they'd all have conflicting standards (well, they could, but . . .)

BTW, bear in mind that Waxman was making a lot of noise on this. It's hardly a pure Republican effort over Democrat dissent.

Tyrone Slothrop 04-27-2005 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
I blame FDR. Everything is susceptible of government control. And everything is susceptible of federal government control. At least with football etc. a single state couldn't regulate it, nor could a bunch of states, since they'd all have conflicting standards (well, they could, but . . .)

BTW, bear in mind that Waxman was making a lot of noise on this. It's hardly a pure Republican effort over Democrat dissent.
So you agree that the federal government ought to drop it.

I blame Congress, or at least those congressmen and congresswomen who are behind this. FDR is, after all, dead.

And I didn't blame the GOP more than the Democrats. I'm not clear who is behind this. Although the GOP controls the agenda so tightly in the House that this is only happening if the GOP leadership backs it.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 04-27-2005 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
So you agree that the federal government ought to drop it.

I blame Congress, or at least those congressmen and congresswomen who are behind this. FDR is, after all, dead.
Yes, but there are a lot more grievous interferences with business and society they should stay out of. This ranks pretty low on the list of problems.

As for FDR, his legacy unfortunately lives on.

Tyrone Slothrop 04-27-2005 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Yes, but there are a lot more grievous interferences with business and society they should stay out of. This ranks pretty low on the list of problems.

As for FDR, his legacy unfortunately lives on.
I'm so confused. What is the legacy of FDR that you have a problem with? I (and most Americans) give him much credit for leading the country out of the Great Depression and winning World War II. I'm willing to overlook that he apparently inspired a crop of current Republicans to do some dumb things, since I don't think that FDR would have tried to subsidize drug companies with a prescription drug benefit, or played for headlines by requiring testing for steroids.

Replaced_Texan 04-27-2005 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Yes, but there are a lot more grievous interferences with business and society they should stay out of. This ranks pretty low on the list of problems.

As for FDR, his legacy unfortunately lives on.
Yep, no Depressions since the 20s.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 04-27-2005 03:38 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Yep, no Depressions since the 20s.
Morning in America.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 04-27-2005 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I'm so confused. What is the legacy of FDR that you have a problem with?
The vast expansion of the federal government that had previously been reserved to the several states, or to the people.

There once were limits. There no longer are.

Sidd Finch 04-27-2005 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
The vast expansion of the federal government that had previously been reserved to the several states, or to the people.

There once were limits. There no longer are.

Lemme guess -- you are one of those conservatives who view environmental laws, the SEC, and virtually everything else but the military as unconstitutional. Right?

Spanky 04-27-2005 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
I think the concept of "culture" is far too vague and variable to provide a meaningful explanation of the issue at hand
Culture is a vague concept, but as that guy quoted in his article, it is the only option left. I think the African American culture is a large factor in the reason for Economic discrepancies in income levels. My parents adopted a Kukuyu kid from Africa (who is now my older brother). This kid grew up in a mud hut until he was fourteen and learned to read by candlelight. Once he got to the United States he studied his ass off, got a BA and an MBA and is now a senior executive at Coca Cola in South Africa. My brother loves America, is a total capitalist, and by his mere presence reminds the world what a lazy and spoiled brat that I am. His first son, my Nephew, grew up in the United States. Since he grew up in my house, he was spoiled like me. He was sent to an all Black College by my liberal parents because they thought he was getting "too white". He was taught that a Black man just can't make it in the United States because of five hundred years of oppression. He joined a gang, got kicked out of school, and moved in with me in Los Angeles. My college buddy is a principle of a Los Angeles Unified School District school, and hired my brother right after he moved to Los Angeles (no teaching certificate, no college Degree). My second nephew was born ten years after my first nephew. When he was three, my overachieving brother got transferred by Coca Cola to Kenya. So my younger nephew grew up in Africa. He finished high school at fourteen and just finished medical school at the age of twenty (making it painfully clear what a lazy ass his uncle and brother are). My youngest nephew is now a social conservative Republican, who everytime he opens his fascist mouth I have to beat his ass just out of pure principle.

I digress. The point being there is definitely something going on with the American culture that ain't all the productive.

Shape Shifter 04-27-2005 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
Culture is a vague concept, but as that guy quoted in his article, it is the only option left. I think the African American culture is a large factor in the reason for Economic discrepancies in income levels. My parents adopted a Kukuyu kid from Africa (who is now my older brother). This kid grew up in a mud hut until he was fourteen and learned to read by candlelight. Once he got to the United States he studied his ass off, got a BA and an MBA and is now a senior executive at Coca Cola in South Africa. My brother loves America, is a total capitalist, and by his mere presence reminds the world what a lazy and spoiled brat that I am. His first son, my Nephew, grew up in the United States. Since he grew up in my house, he was spoiled like me. He was sent to an all Black College by my liberal parents because they thought he was getting "too white". He was taught that a Black man just can't make it in the United States because of five hundred years of oppression. He joined a gang, got kicked out of school, and moved in with me in Los Angeles. My college buddy is a principle of a Los Angeles Unified School District school, and hired my brother right after he moved to Los Angeles (no teaching certificate, no college Degree). My second nephew was born ten years after my first nephew. When he was three, my overachieving brother got transferred by Coca Cola to Kenya. So my younger nephew grew up in Africa. He finished high school at fourteen and just finished medical school at the age of twenty (making it painfully clear what a lazy ass his uncle and brother are). My youngest nephew is now a social conservative Republican, who everytime he opens his fascist mouth I have to beat his ass just out of pure principle.

I digress. The point being there is definitely something going on with the American culture that ain't all the productive.
Can't you read? It's just Southern culture that isn't productive.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 04-27-2005 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Lemme guess -- you are one of those conservatives who view environmental laws, the SEC, and virtually everything else but the military as unconstitutional. Right?
No, I'm lamenting the loss of principles as to what is properly federal and what is not. Ty is bellyaching about bills regarding steriods in sports. I'm saying it's the logical outgrowth of the view that the federal government has no constitutional bounds, save some odd carveouts in the penumbrae of various amendments.

Spanky 04-27-2005 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I do not know these cases of which you speak, but I figured that I'd get some support from all the conservatives hereabouts who complain about how the liberals always think the solution to any problem is more government. If there's harm to sporting competition, why don't the leagues have the proper incentives to address it? Why is that something government should bother with?
What can I say. You are preaching to the choir.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 04-27-2005 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
If there's harm to sporting competition, why don't the leagues have the proper incentives to address it? Why is that something government should bother with?
Externalities and/or paternalism.

If there's harm to your lungs from smoking, don't you have the proper incentives to address it? Why is that something government should bother with?

If there's harm to your appendages from unsae factory equipment, don't you have the proper incentives to address it? Why is that something government should bother with?

cheeky monkey 04-27-2005 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
Culture is a vague concept, but as that guy quoted in his article, it is the only option left. I think the African American culture is a large factor in the reason for Economic discrepancies in income levels. My parents adopted a Kukuyu kid from Africa (who is now my older brother). This kid grew up in a mud hut until he was fourteen and learned to read by candlelight. Once he got to the United States he studied his ass off, got a BA and an MBA and is now a senior executive at Coca Cola in South Africa. My brother loves America, is a total capitalist, and by his mere presence reminds the world what a lazy and spoiled brat that I am. His first son, my Nephew, grew up in the United States. Since he grew up in my house, he was spoiled like me. He was sent to an all Black College by my liberal parents because they thought he was getting "too white". He was taught that a Black man just can't make it in the United States because of five hundred years of oppression. He joined a gang, got kicked out of school, and moved in with me in Los Angeles. My college buddy is a principle of a Los Angeles Unified School District school, and hired my brother right after he moved to Los Angeles (no teaching certificate, no college Degree). My second nephew was born ten years after my first nephew. When he was three, my overachieving brother got transferred by Coca Cola to Kenya. So my younger nephew grew up in Africa. He finished high school at fourteen and just finished medical school at the age of twenty (making it painfully clear what a lazy ass his uncle and brother are). My youngest nephew is now a social conservative Republican, who everytime he opens his fascist mouth I have to beat his ass just out of pure principle.

I digress. The point being there is definitely something going on with the American culture that ain't all the productive.
the drag of liberalism as propigated and perpetuated by the Democratic Party?


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