Well, actually, yes, it is. At least that's the way the founding fathers envisioned it.

DeLay
 

Yes, because as a former exterminator, he's well qualified to assess the credibility of a Supreme Court justice's legal sources.

DeLay
 

Sidd is a fucking attack dog- eh?

I don't care if they cut this guy's nuts off, I was just suggesting that the quote wasn't attacking the fact of internet research, just who did it- as Sidd is quick to point out- the quote was "he does his own Internet research." he does his own, implies that Delay's problem is not that internet research is itself malum per se, but rather he doesn't think Kennedy should be doing it. Why? fuck I don't know.

DeLay
 

Yes, that's what everyone except you has been saying. You decided that this means that Delay is questioning Kennedy's computer skills -- which may be how tomorrow's explanation (i.e., spin) tells the story, but is hardly what Delay said.


Which doesn't seem to stop you from telling us the reason.


eta the complete quote from Fox News:

"We've got Justice Kennedy writing decisions based upon international law, not the Constitution of the United States. That's just outrageous, and not only that, he said in session that he does his own research on the Internet. That is just incredibly outrageous," DeLay said in the interview.


Fox also quotes DeLay as saying that the attacks on him are organized by a "Left Wing Syndicate." He's got documents to prove it. Is the LWS the new VRWC?

DeLay
 

look pindick, i was answering mmmm56789 who asked "Is Delay (a) really that clueless that he's got concerns about internet research of precedent..."

I don't really give one good fuck about what Delay may have meant, but I was simply trying to help a relative newber here (mmm) understand an issue. You going into attack dog mode on my good-natured attempt to answer mmm798 will only serve to scare him, and other potential posters, who do not wish to suffer your dullard wit from posting here.

Rats and Zingers
 

There are plenty of savvy Latin American Cardinals that don't need "grooming", thank you Vaticano. If they are really working from that "grooming" theory, that's pretty demeaning. Anyways, if they're waiting for this German guy to croak, those former Hitler Youths can live a long time. And yes, I take offense to the fact that of ALL the damn Cardinals out there, they had to pick the ONE fucking redhat who (as admitted in his biography) was a Hitler Youth. (And don't give me the "fled to the foot of the Austrian mountains" thing cause I saw that movie already).

DeLay
 

Have you guys been hanging out in the bars together again?

Rats and Zingers
 

He knew Julie Andrews? Cool.

DeLay
 

Yeah, I'm the attack dog in this picture.

Rats and Zingers
 

Of course. The two of them displayed their heroic stances against genocide by hiding out in the scenic alps eating Jägerschnitzel, washed down with a nice Grüner Veltliner and followed by Ländler dancing, as millions of Jewish women and children were systematically slaughtered nearby. What a spiritual man.

Rats and Zingers
 

You just like using umlauts, don't you?

DeLay
 

Don't fuck with us.

Joe Rat Zinger =Joe Camel?
 

Like Austria, I'm "neutral" on that issue.

Well, I don't post much here anymore (other than as another Penske sock) so I will go ahead and unload the last of my Papal rants. This one is a Muslim issue. I feel Joseph Rat Zinger's words speak for themselves thank you:


The Vatican's Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger has reacted to "conventional wisdom" that "the Christian faith must give up its claim to truth" in the wake of 11 September.

The Prefect of the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith made his observations on Friday when addressing a conference in memory of Bishop Eugenio Corecco of Lugano, Switzerland, on the topic Faith, Truth and Tolerance.

Ratzinger praised Islam for upholding the values of monogamous marriage and the dignity of women, which "undoubtedly demonstrate a cultural superiority".

"It is true that the Muslim world is not totally mistaken when it reproaches the West of Christian tradition of moral decadence and the manipulation of human life," he said. "This imposes on us a serious examination of conscience."

Source: Catholic News, March 6, 2002

Rats and Zingers
 

You were expecting the Catholic Church to be progressive and outward-thinking? This is the organization that took 400 years to admit wrongdoing on that whole Galileo, Earth-goes-round-the-Sun thing.

Personally, I'm shocked that they've named two non-Italian Popes in a row. (Popes-in-a-row being unrelated to Pope-on-a-rope, the product promoted by the great Guido Sarducci.)

NRO II
 

What Jonah Goldberg says goes for me, too:

"Having been burned several times in recent months taking MSM coverage of conservatives at face value, I would like to see Delay's comments about Justice Kennedy and the internet in a larger context. But if he really thinks its inappropriate for a Supreme Court justice to do his own research on the web, then he really is off his feed."

NRO II
 

Fox News is now the MSM?

NRO II
 

As much as CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, and the rest, sure.

DeLay
 

Because the law clerks would certainly be a more capable researcher.

Rats and Zingers
 

I often agree with you - but on this one you should shut the fuck up.

"Hitler Youth" was mandatory back then for children of a certain age. Otherwise, your family would slowly be ostracized right out of their house into a work camp.

NRO II
 

Wow. Murdoch will be pissed to hear that they carry no more credibility than the godless commies at CBS.


How about WSJ Op-Ed?
Powerline?
NRO?

It'll be good to know when I should stop trusting them, too.

NRO II
 

I'll IM you and shoot you a heads up.

NRO II
 

And the godless heathens of the NYT?

DeLay
 

Yeah. I mean, who would trust a Justice of the Supreme Court over someone who hsa been out of Yale law school for, like, a whole year or two?

NRO II
 

NRO jumped the shark when Buckley stepped down. WSJ Op-Ed when Gigot took over. The Powerline guys are mostly hacks.

NRO II
 

Wow. And here I was, thinking the dread MSM was the equivalent of the Liberal Media. Or is Fox part of that cabal, too?

I don't suppose it much matters to you that DeLay's comments were made in an interview on Fox.

Context is the new nuance.

NRO II
 

Yes, thank God for the patriots at Drudge, Talon News and Newsmax.

Rats and Zingers
 

Not joining the Hitler Youth did not mean you were going to any camp necessarily. That sounds nice but wasn't the case. There were families who refused to register their kids and while they were thorns in the side of the Nazis and were harrassed, not all were killed or sent to a work camp. And it is sad that the new Pope defends his wartime service with a German army anti-aircraft unit (which was served by Jewish slaves from camps) by saying he never fired a bullet or personally killed a Jew and he eventually deserted. Well that's nice. But we're talking about the highest ranking position in a religion which praises someone dying on a cross for a good cause. I read somewhere it being summed up pretty well that while Ratzinger wasn't an enthusiastic Hitler Youth or military man, he and his family made their choice on how to deal with the Nazi movement. In contrast to the Ratzingers's decision, men and women of much lesser spirituality made decisions concerning the Nazis that were riskier to themselves than the Ratzingers; because it was the right thing to do. I expect the highest rank of the Catholic Church to have taken the most honorable actions back then even if it involved some sacrifice.

Bottom line -- with all he saw: coughing, sick, starving workers in his unit, Jews being herded into camps, the Ratzingers took nobody under their wing. They split for their country digs and hid out like a bunch of pussies.

NRO II
 

WFB was never on NRO

Unlike...say Justice Kennedy...Mr. Buckley is not internet savvy

DeLay
 

Weren't some jackass senators bitching about law clerks run amok a couple of years back? Like the judges couldn't control them or something? Probably after the Lazarus book came out.

Rats and Zingers
 

Not that a Vatican II baby like me is thrilled with the election of an arch-conservative as pope, but he was a teenager at the time.

And if Saul the persecutor of early Christians can become Paul the great evangelist, and if Augustine and Francis of Assisi can turn from sinfully wicked youths into holy men, then a kid who didn't run an extraordinary risk to help Jews in 1945 can possibly have become a better person since then.

In short, I think that he's a bad choice (but I hope I am wrong) on his theology and his lack of tolerance for respectful dissent, not because of his history.

NRO II
 

I differentiate between

(A.) lying sacks of scum who come to me claiming to be neutral, claiming to be bringing me clean, complete, vetted snippets of fact that they have ferreted out of the world, but who, instead, have decided on their own which position is correct and so present me instead with either packets of fackets that are incomplete, and, coincidently, are incomplete specifically in that they lack those facts that fail to support, or actively refute, their own favored positions, or who tell me that things that are really their own "analyses" of facts they aren't bothering to share are really the facts themselves; and

(B). advocates who come to me openly listing their biases and hopes and fears and dreams, and make no bones that what they will be sharing with me are things that support their views.

MSM is (A). Kos, Josh, NRO, Powerline, Corner, Atrios - those are all (B)'s. Yes, they are biased. But they don't pretend to NOT be biased, in hopes of fooling me into buying their schtick. When the NYT presents ten articles in a row about unrest in Iraq, and voting complications, and takes a "poll" of six disaffected Iraqis who want us out, and then end their Iraq coverage there, while all the time telling me "we're giving you all the news!", they become lying scum. When kos does the same thing, while telling me explicitly that he's a Dem fanatic, he's being an advocate. I can respect him, and his role. The NYT, though, is whoring.

NRO II
 

I don't get your point. Fox, like CBS, has it's own biases, and it's own failings. So, I have problems accepting to-facile "facts" from them when they obviously fall into line with their biases.

NRO II
 

Fox quoted an interview from Fox. There were no words between "he does his own research on the internet" and "that's just utterly outrageous."

I guess you're saying you need to see the entire transcript, or actually hear a tape, because of Fox's obvious bias against Republicans.

NRO II
 

I realize that, but much of the NRO content comes from the mag.

Rats and Zingers
 

Youthful indiscretion strikes again.

DK has a good point when he says "But we're talking about the highest ranking position in a religion which praises someone dying on a cross for a good cause." Given the choice of joining the Hitler Youth and signing up for the Nazi military, and risking the camps, What Would Jesus Do?

Rats and Zingers
 

Render unto Hitler what is Hitler's?

Rats and Zingers
 

First off, I'm not a "he". Though nobody on here has (yet) to visit the Pooty Store to confirm same, you'll just have to take my word for it.

Now that THAT'S out of the way, I repeat that things weren't so simple that failing to join the Youth or sign up for the military resulted in a high chance of being thrown in a camp. The family might have been ostracized or penalized monetarily. And most Germans did diddly squat even AFTER the "risk of the camps" (as you put it) was no longer a credible risk. I'd love to know what the Ratzingers did following the liberation of the camps. Most of those in camps couldn't even get a cup of water from the Germans as they wandered around as dirty skeletons. After witnessing the atrocity of a genocide in his home country, what did he do to help his fellow countrymen? Don't hear too much about THAT.

I want a shot at redemption/I need a photo opportunity
 

Which is why I gave the examples of Saul/Paul and Augustine and Francis. They all did bad stuff before they began to spread the Good News.

I want a shot at redemption/I need a photo opportunity
 

I was an asshole to people pre-1/05, now look at me.

Rats and Zingers
 

I don't know if you're female but you certainly are a twat. I was agreeing with your point, and your response is to do a Hank imitation.

And I did not suggest that there was a "high" risk of being thrown in the camps, or any level of risk at all -- I simply posited the (possibly hypothetical) choice that you were discussing with Slave.

However, from my own family's experience, I can say with some confidence that there were very significant risks to young men who refused to work with the Nazis. After the Nazis occupied Italy, my great-uncle and uncle spent much of the war hiding in a tunnel. Uncle was hiding because he was deaf and a physical handicap likely meant certain death, even for an adolescent as he was. Great-uncle was hiding because he was an able-bodied man who faced options of being dragged off to a recruiting center or just shot, depending on the mood of the officer who found them. My mother and aunts -- just kids at the time -- would stand look-out watching for German soldiers coming to inspect the house. Sometimes those soldiers crept up through the bushes, where my mom would see them while standing lookout from a balcony.

In other words, they didn't feel that the risk was all that low. Perhaps your personal experience is different, but FWIW I give you the story.