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bilmore 04-20-2005 01:50 AM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
I miss bipartisanship. It blows me away how the R leadership (Frist, Bush, DeLay) seem totally unwilling to work with anyone who hasn't sold their soul.
I know. I was disappointed when Kerry lost, seeing how willing he would have been to work with us on our tax cuts, and dumping Saddam, and all. Why can't we be more like you guys?

ltl/fb 04-20-2005 01:50 AM

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Originally posted by bilmore
should have been aborted in the third grade. I think our relationship is already tenuous at best.
Interesting choice. I never went to 3rd grade.

bilmore 04-20-2005 01:51 AM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Interesting choice. I never went to 3rd grade.
Keep taking those tests. Don't give up.

ltl/fb 04-20-2005 01:51 AM

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Originally posted by bilmore
I know. I was disappointed when Kerry lost, seeing how willing he would have been to work with us on our tax cuts, and dumping Saddam, and all. Why can't we be more like you guys?
*sigh* whatever, I don't know why I click, I had too much to drink tonight. You are a twisted, sad, bitter little old man.

bilmore 04-20-2005 01:55 AM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
*sigh* whatever, I don't know why I click, I had too much to drink tonight. You are a twisted, sad, bitter little old man.
Undoubtedly. (Except for the sad part, of course. I'm very cheerful tonight. But "twisted"? Fer sure.)

But I never confuse "bipartisanship" with "people who will do things my way, which is the only way."

Tyrone Slothrop 04-20-2005 02:10 AM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
I miss bipartisanship. It blows me away how the R leadership (Frist, Bush, DeLay) seem totally unwilling to work with anyone who hasn't sold their soul. I understand unity but they are wacko. I wish we had Dole or McCain instead of any of them.
DeLay would rather avoid bipartisanship to ensure that corporate contributions go solely to his side. If Democrats are voting for his bills, he figures he's leaving something on the table.

SlaveNoMore 04-20-2005 04:25 AM

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Spanky
RTs may hate him, but he is the best friend the Democrat party has ever had. They needed a replacement for Jesse Helmes and they got one in Delay. Not a Democrat fundraising letter goes out without a quote from Delay. The Democrats could not pay him enough for the help he gives them in raising money and influencing swing voters. If he would just shut up, and do his whip stuff behind the scenes, it my be OK. But he has done to much damage. He needs to go or he may lose the Congress that Gingrich worked so hard to take.
Our party does a horrible job of getting out the daily bon mots...er...gaffes... of Byrd, Pelosi, Rangel, Schumer, et. al.

Hell, I get* daily emails from the DNC misquoting our President/Senators/Reps/Governors, whereas I have to read Reynolds, NRO, Bainbridge, CQ et. al. to get the quotes from the other side of the aisle.

*Actually, the GF gets them and she shares my computer.

SlaveNoMore 04-20-2005 04:37 AM

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bilmore
Undoubtedly. (Except for the sad part, of course. I'm very cheerful tonight. But "twisted"? Fer sure.)

But I never confuse "bipartisanship" with "people who will do things my way, which is the only way."
In the 2005 version of the Webster's Dictionary:

bi-par-ti-san (adj): (1) Requiring the majority to concede to the will of the minority, losing party; (2) Giving away something for nothing; (3) Destroying the reputation of a faithful diplomat and civil servant to curry favor with the United Nations; (4) Mocking a noble, theologian for being an "evil conservative."

Fuck this!!!

sebastian_dangerfield 04-20-2005 08:46 AM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
His primary problem is that - on the national PR stage - he is a schmoe.

To the people that matter, he is a very effective leader - and it appears his constituents aren't going to toss him anytime soon.

If you look at the notable Republicans that openly speak against him (e.g. Newt Gingrich), they all have a personal axe to grind. Otherwise, they all stand in line.

But for Spanky and other Blue State GOPers [like myself], his needless and constant sound bites make our party much, much harder for moderates or Reagan Democrats to swallow.
The man reinforces the notion to a lot of moderates that a fat swath of the GOP's base is trailer trash. Delay's Achilles Heel is his bloodline. Who he is, what he is, etc... a mean thug. Its amusing to watch people like Delay and Clinton, both from humble upbringings, reach such different levels. Delay's epitaph will be "low rent enforcer" - a Ty Dome of DC politics. Clinton will be remembered as the low rent son of a bitch who rose up to hoodwink everyone from Oxford to the Impeachment Inquisitors, and rode off into the sunset with enough bags of cash to sink a small fishing boat.

Not Bob 04-20-2005 10:00 AM

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Originally posted by bilmore
You're missing the pattern. Gingrich ended up demonized and vilified after being so effective, for "transgressions" equally as weighty, but, in reality, because he just pissed off the Dems in his accomplishments. We jettisoned him because of that.
Bullshit. Delay and others booted Gingrich because Clinton brilliantly outmanuvered Newt on the budget impasse/government shut-down.

And because he whined (inaccurately) about not being able to talk to Clinton on Air Force One and (inaccurately) about having to exit the back door of the plane. And because he was secretly boinking a young committee staffer while the House was publicly frothing at the mouth because Clinton was getting a blowjob from an intern.

Secret_Agent_Man 04-20-2005 10:07 AM

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Originally posted by bilmore
But I never confuse "bipartisanship" with "people who will do things my way, which is the only way."
An interesting position, given your discussion of Delay. Senior staffers from his office, and elsewhere in the GOP House leadership, are on the record as defining "bipartisanship" in almost exactly those terms after the 2002 and 2004 elections.

In other words, they will "reach out" to Democrats who agree with their proposals, but see no purpose to compromise to bring in more. The established Hastert rule that no legislation can pass the House unless a majority of the GOP members support it, speaks volumes.

S_A_M

Hank Chinaski 04-20-2005 10:12 AM

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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
The established Hastert rule that no legislation can pass the House unless a majority of the GOP members support it, speaks volumes.

S_A_M
Recently, I voted at my firm on an issue where we compromised to get agreement. The compromise was not exactly what I wanted. I supported the proposal. One can support a compromise, you know. And if the majority of the House republicans don't support something. should it pass? This isn't a coalition government.

bilmore 04-20-2005 10:52 AM

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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
An interesting position, given your discussion of Delay. Senior staffers from his office, and elsewhere in the GOP House leadership, are on the record as defining "bipartisanship" in almost exactly those terms after the 2002 and 2004 elections.

In other words, they will "reach out" to Democrats who agree with their proposals, but see no purpose to compromise to bring in more. The established Hastert rule that no legislation can pass the House unless a majority of the GOP members support it, speaks volumes.

S_A_M
No, I understand and agree. My point was, this much-vaunted bipartisanship certainly isn't coming from the Dems, either, and so it's just fun to hear anyone complain about it.

bilmore 04-20-2005 11:05 AM

Vatican Spins Off U.S. Catholic Church
 
In one of his first official moves, Pope Benedict XVI today announced that the Vatican would "spin off" the U.S. division of the Roman Catholic church, but retain a 49-percent stake in the new entity, called R.C. Lite.
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To counter Pope Benedict's dogmatic conservatism, several church sources said America's leading Roman Catholic politician, Sen. John F. Kerry, D-MA, is considered a shoo-in for the New-World Papacy.

"We need a pope with nuanced ideas," said one unnamed U.S. Bishop. "He needs to be a uniter, not a divider. He can't be afraid to change his deeply-held convictions in light of shifting public opinion. He must be courageous enough to keep his beliefs separate from his behavior and decision making."

If Mr. Kerry accepts the R.C. Lite leadership post, insiders say he will assume the name Benadryl XIII."


(Scrappleface, of course.)

Replaced_Texan 04-20-2005 11:15 AM

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Originally posted by Spanky
And Clinton. If the Senate Dems had gotten Clinton to resign, Gore would have been an incumbant and almost certainly would have won in 2000. A Republican would have been forced to resign.
And here I was thinking that if Gore had let Clinton campaign for him, Gore would have won.

Hank Chinaski 04-20-2005 11:17 AM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
And here I was thinking that if Gore had let Clinton campaign for him, Gore would have won.
Stay on message- Gore did win!

Diane_Keaton 04-20-2005 11:19 AM

Rats and Zingers
 
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
http://www.lawtalkers.com/forums/ava...ine=1114006845
God FORBID they elect a Hispanic Pope considering Latin America is holding the fucking Catholic Church together. As IF there's a need for representation of the modern, nihilistic, chain-smoking, ugly, leder-hosen-wearing European-Germans, who could GIVE a crap about Catholics or any other God-fearing religion!!! Typical that this Nazi (I lose!) Pope takes the namesake of a traitorous fellow European who took a whimpy stance in World War I and who is honored by......you betcha.....Muslims. At LEAST if those whackadoo Cardinals were going to elect a European Pope, they'd have found one with typical relaxed Euro-mores, which mean Priests would have at least gotten the ticket to hit the Pooty Store. Confounding.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 04-20-2005 11:21 AM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Stay on message- Gore did win!
btw, i encountered this t-shirt yesterday. not on Ty, but it should be:

http://store1.yimg.com/I/spymuseumstore_1824_4739517

bilmore 04-20-2005 11:29 AM

Rats and Zingers
 
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Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
At LEAST if those whackadoo Cardinals were going to elect a European Pope, they'd have found one with typical relaxed Euro-mores, which mean Priests would have at least gotten the ticket to hit the Pooty Store. Confounding.
Um, that may have been the root problem as it is.

(Oh, wait - is "pooty" definitionally female?)

sgtclub 04-20-2005 11:30 AM

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Originally posted by Spanky
I have been in meetings for about seven days now about taking out Delay and four other incumbant Republicans. The project is is called revolt of the elders and is being headed by Pete McCloskey (former Congressman from my area and a former head of the California Republican League).


http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/3136907

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/15/politics/15delay.html

http://www.poe-news.com/features.php?feat=44660

We have found candidates to run against Delay and Doolittle and are looking for a few more. I am about to become very unpopular in the Republican party. I guess, Delay plays hardball, so there will be an investigation of my life. Won't be the first. Some of you may be getting mysterious phone calls.
I'm available to run, though given my background, I won't be able to hold the religious right vote.

Diane_Keaton 04-20-2005 11:35 AM

Rats and Zingers
 
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Originally posted by bilmore
Um, that may have been the root problem as it is.

(Oh, wait - is "pooty" definitionally female?)
Well, in this context, Pooty would generically mean "down there" and would not be gender-specific. As in, Vatican Doctrine does not allow any Pooty Store Shopping whatsoever. Anyone having to put up with one of those sleazy Europeans as their Pope should at least get the benefit of sleazy European values.

http://www.yperit.cz/images/Auferste...nger-small.jpg

Sidd Finch 04-20-2005 11:37 AM

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Originally posted by Spanky
"why does the Columbine massacre surprise anyone when we teach are children that instead of being descendants from Adam, that we crawled out of some primordial ooze."

Wow. That's good.

Of course, the murder rate has been rising since the Scopes trial, so the connection between teaching evolution and murder sprees seems pretty rock-solid to me.

Sidd Finch 04-20-2005 11:39 AM

strategic bombing
 
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
So you have no problem with torture, I take it.

If you really think this of me, you are a complete idiot.


This phrase is approaching the use of "Nazi" as an automatic disqualifier -- it demonstrates the speaker's inability to speak and disagree rationally about an issue. Accordingly, you will understand if I decline to engage in further discussions about history with you.

Sidd Finch 04-20-2005 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by Spanky
We have found candidates to run against Delay and Doolittle and are looking for a few more. I am about to become very unpopular in the Republican party. I guess, Delay plays hardball, so there will be an investigation of my life. Won't be the first. Some of you may be getting mysterious phone calls.

I will suggest that you and Delay and the rest of the crew settle your difference by playing poker. If their experiences are like mine, that should work out well for you.

sgtclub 04-20-2005 11:43 AM

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Originally posted by Spanky
I am not missing any pattern. And I am not mourning the loss of Gingrich. Delay is totally different from Gingrich. I am trying to get Republicans elected in this state and he is my biggest problem. Not the Dems, not the Unions, but Delays mouth. He is not the speaker. He doesn't need to be in the limelight to do his job. Delay runs to the limelight like a moth to flame and he sucks at it. From a practical political standpoint his negatives outweigh his positives. You may get your rocks off when you hear him, but that doesn't help the party. The man is a liability. And its people like you that just can't see how he helps the Democrats that are going to cost us the Congress.
Sorry, I agree with Billmore here. Most voters don't even know who Delay is, especially in CA. He will have minimal effect on CA races. If you think CA Republicans are not getting elected because of Delay, you've got far bigger problems on your hands.

taxwonk 04-20-2005 11:49 AM

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Originally posted by bilmore
You know, if you look at the actual list of what he's done, it's not that bad - nothing more than you see in so many long-term pols of both stripes. Is his main drawback just that the D's hate him with such an ungodly passion that it's worthwhile to jettison him? Is losing such an effective whip a reasonable price to pay for what sort of looks like nothing more than giving up so things can move on?

The internet comment was stoopid. The trips were nothing more than what many others have done. The ethics accusations could be read either way, from what I can see, and the much-reviled change of ethics rules only made them mirror the Dem rules, if I remember correctly. Frankly, I'm not sure where the beef is here.

(ETA - I may well have these wrong - I've paid very little attention to the late chapters of Delay.)
WEll, there is also the incredibly unethical, yet successful, Gerrymandering of the Texas state legislature, the unlawfu use of the DEpartment of Homeland Security and attempted unlawful use of the FAA to ensure that the gerrymandering would occur, the fact that he has been caught numerous times trading money or votes for votes on his pet projects, the fact that he is an idiot, the way he tried to make the Schiavo thing about him....

I could go on for quite some time, but there's now this really badf taste in my mouth.

Sidd Finch 04-20-2005 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by Spanky
You left out greedy and selfish.

Bilmore was only listing sins. He sees those as virtues. Sorta like your view on free trade.

(I'm kidding, okay?)

Say_hello_for_me 04-20-2005 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
I'm available to run, though given my background, I won't be able to hold the religious right vote.
Yes You Would.

Coming soon, WWSCD tee shirts!

mmm3587 04-20-2005 12:07 PM

DeLay
 
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/04/....ap/index.html

Is Delay (a) really that clueless that he's got concerns about internet research of precedent, the concept of the common law or looking to see how other countries resolve certain issues or (b) just playing to the unwashed, uneducated masses who are the only ones keeping him in office?

I am pretty open to hearing about different perspectives on a lot of issues, but I almost automatically write someone off when he starts ranting about "activist judges" and the need to reign them in.

Hank Chinaski 04-20-2005 12:10 PM

DeLay
 
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Originally posted by mmm3587
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/04/....ap/index.html

Is Delay (a) really that clueless that he's got concerns about internet research of precedent, the concept of the common law or looking to see how other countries resolve certain issues or (b) just playing to the unwashed, uneducated masses who are the only ones keeping him in office?

I am pretty open to hearing about different perspectives on a lot of issues, but I almost automatically write someone off when he starts ranting about "activist judges" and the need to reign them in.
Wasn't the internet research thing, that Kennedy did it himself, rather than the fact of using the internet?

bilmore 04-20-2005 12:13 PM

DeLay
 
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Wasn't the internet research thing, that Kennedy did it himself, rather than the fact of using the internet?
Even if, so . . . .? He's a heathen because he's internet-literate?

(As I said before, I agree that Kennedy's reliance on his own factual interpretation of how "attitudes have changed here", coupled with his "lookie at what the french say!" international survey, are bullshit. But where Delay gets this internet thing is just beyond me.)

Gattigap 04-20-2005 12:15 PM

DeLay
 
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Wasn't the internet research thing, that Kennedy did it himself, rather than the fact of using the internet?
Next week we'll hear that Kennedy squeezes the produce at Safeway.

And puts it back.

Replaced_Texan 04-20-2005 12:16 PM

Rats and Zingers
 
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Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
God FORBID they elect a Hispanic Pope considering Latin America is holding the fucking Catholic Church together. As IF there's a need for representation of the modern, nihilistic, chain-smoking, ugly, leder-hosen-wearing European-Germans, who could GIVE a crap about Catholics or any other God-fearing religion!!! Typical that this Nazi (I lose!) Pope takes the namesake of a traitorous fellow European who took a whimpy stance in World War I and who is honored by......you betcha.....Muslims. At LEAST if those whackadoo Cardinals were going to elect a European Pope, they'd have found one with typical relaxed Euro-mores, which mean Priests would have at least gotten the ticket to hit the Pooty Store. Confounding.
I've heard that the consensus is that they're looking to groom someone from either Latin America or Africa, and this is clearly an interim pope.

robustpuppy 04-20-2005 12:21 PM

Rats and Zingers
 
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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I've heard that the consensus is that they're looking to groom someone from either Latin America or Africa, and this is clearly an interim pope.
Because they expect him to retire as he has said before he would, or because they expect him to die? Do Popes retire?

andViolins 04-20-2005 12:23 PM

Rats and Zingers
 
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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I've heard that the consensus is that they're looking to groom someone from either Latin America or Africa, and this is clearly an interim pope.
I prefer the term "rebound pope".

aV

Hank Chinaski 04-20-2005 12:34 PM

DeLay
 
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Originally posted by bilmore
Even if, so . . . .? He's a heathen because he's internet-literate?
That he knows how to use google does not make him literate. And knowing what not to accept as fact from the internet is not so easy. I know seemingly smart people who take various unsupported rants from the net, and try and use them as fact (e.g. Tyrone Slothrop )

not wishing to question their motives for using these lies, I will assume it is simple dull-wittedness.

bilmore 04-20-2005 12:38 PM

DeLay
 
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
That he knows how to use google does not make him literate. And knowing what not to accept as fact from the internet is not so easy. I know seemingly smart people who take various unsupported rants from the net, and try and use them as fact (e.g. Tyrone Slothrop )

not wishing to question their motives for using these lies, I will assume it is simple dull-wittedness.
Ah, so the complaint was that his internet research was shoddy, and relied on bad sources? That would make more sense. I had the impression that the complaint was that he knew his own WL password.

Sidd Finch 04-20-2005 12:42 PM

DeLay
 
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Originally posted by Gattigap
Next week we'll hear that Kennedy squeezes the produce at Safeway.

And puts it back.

He does his own grocery shopping? I say, impeach the fucker already.

Sidd Finch 04-20-2005 12:43 PM

DeLay
 
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Originally posted by bilmore
Ah, so the complaint was that his internet research was shoddy, and relied on bad sources? That would make more sense. I had the impression that the complaint was that he knew his own WL password.

The quotes I've seen don't say "and he does Internet research poorly," just "he does his own Internet research." I mean, I don't wanna accuse Hank of saying anything less than perfectly true, but before you accept it you might request a cite. (Hank does his own internet research, of course, so YMMV.)

Gattigap 04-20-2005 12:46 PM

DeLay
 
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Originally posted by bilmore
Ah, so the complaint was that his internet research was shoddy, and relied on bad sources? That would make more sense.
Arguably it would, but I've not hear this anywhere. If that's the complaint, then allege incompetence -- it wouldn't matter whether the research were via Lexis or hardcopy. Of course, we tend to let SC justices work until the can hardly read anymore, so this particular complaint would seem to move the bar a bit.

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I had the impression that the complaint was that he knew his own WL password.
This was my impression too.


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