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Tyrone Slothrop 04-04-2005 05:30 PM

One if by land, two if by, uh, land.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
What I find interesting, though, is the different attitudes about illegal immigration in different border states. With the exception of Kinky Freedman (who lost any and all hope of my support for his wacky candidacy because of the relevant statements), I don't really hear that much negative about illegal immigration here. Everyone knows that several industries would collapse immediately if cheap labor were messed with. Hell, the restaurant industry alone would be toast, and we Houston fats love to eat too much to allow that to happen. New Mexico seems to be the same way. The good people of Arizona, on the other hand, seem to get into an irate frenzy over the thought of anyone coming into the country, and California has oddly shown signs of leaning anti-immigration as well.
Vigilante efforts to stop illegal immigration go way, way back in the history of this country.

sgtclub 04-04-2005 07:05 PM

Cheney on the Courts
 
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Originally posted by Gattigap
What's the point?
Ahhhh, are Gatti's feelings hurt? Looks like someone can dish but not take.

Tyrone Slothrop 04-04-2005 07:18 PM

Cheney on the Courts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
Ahhhh, are Gatti's feelings hurt? Looks like someone can dish but not take.
Maybe he just wondered what the point was.

Gattigap 04-04-2005 09:27 PM

Cheney on the Courts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Maybe he just wondered what the point was.
Yez. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Gattigap 04-04-2005 10:15 PM

GOP Senator on the Courts
 
From WaPo:
  • In a Senate floor speech in which he sharply criticized a recent Supreme Court ruling on the death penalty, Cornyn (R-Tex.) -- a former Texas Supreme Court justice and member of the Judiciary Committee -- said Americans are growing increasingly frustrated by what he describes as activist jurists.

    "It causes a lot of people, including me, great distress to see judges use the authority that they have been given to make raw political or ideological decisions," he said. Sometimes, he said, "the Supreme Court has taken on this role as a policymaker rather than an enforcer of political decisions made by elected representatives of the people."

    Cornyn continued: "I don't know if there is a cause-and-effect connection, but we have seen some recent episodes of courthouse violence in this country. . . . And I wonder whether there may be some connection between the perception in some quarters, on some occasions, where judges are making political decisions yet are unaccountable to the public, that it builds up and builds up and builds up to the point where some people engage in, engage in violence. Certainly without any justification, but a concern that I have."

Alex_de_Large 04-05-2005 11:18 AM

GOP Senator on the Courts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
From WaPo:
  • In a Senate floor speech in which he sharply criticized a recent Supreme Court ruling on the death penalty, Cornyn (R-Tex.) -- a former Texas Supreme Court justice and member of the Judiciary Committee -- said Americans are growing increasingly frustrated by what he describes as activist jurists.

    "It causes a lot of people, including me, great distress to see judges use the authority that they have been given to make raw political or ideological decisions," he said. Sometimes, he said, "the Supreme Court has taken on this role as a policymaker rather than an enforcer of political decisions made by elected representatives of the people."

    Cornyn continued: "I don't know if there is a cause-and-effect connection, but we have seen some recent episodes of courthouse violence in this country. . . . And I wonder whether there may be some connection between the perception in some quarters, on some occasions, where judges are making political decisions yet are unaccountable to the public, that it builds up and builds up and builds up to the point where some people engage in, engage in violence. Certainly without any justification, but a concern that I have."

So he's sympathizing with Brian Nichols, claiming to be a kindred spirit disgusted with the judiciary? Interesting...

Replaced_Texan 04-05-2005 11:31 AM

GOP Senator on the Courts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
From WaPo:
  • In a Senate floor speech in which he sharply criticized a recent Supreme Court ruling on the death penalty, Cornyn (R-Tex.) -- a former Texas Supreme Court justice and member of the Judiciary Committee -- said Americans are growing increasingly frustrated by what he describes as activist jurists.

    "It causes a lot of people, including me, great distress to see judges use the authority that they have been given to make raw political or ideological decisions," he said. Sometimes, he said, "the Supreme Court has taken on this role as a policymaker rather than an enforcer of political decisions made by elected representatives of the people."

    Cornyn continued: "I don't know if there is a cause-and-effect connection, but we have seen some recent episodes of courthouse violence in this country. . . . And I wonder whether there may be some connection between the perception in some quarters, on some occasions, where judges are making political decisions yet are unaccountable to the public, that it builds up and builds up and builds up to the point where some people engage in, engage in violence. Certainly without any justification, but a concern that I have."

Goddamn the GOP and their constant calls for constitutional amendments.

The overhauling of Article III is gonna take us months to get done.

Shape Shifter 04-05-2005 11:31 AM

GOP Senator on the Courts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
From WaPo:
  • In a Senate floor speech in which he sharply criticized a recent Supreme Court ruling on the death penalty, Cornyn (R-Tex.) -- a former Texas Supreme Court justice and member of the Judiciary Committee -- said Americans are growing increasingly frustrated by what he describes as activist jurists.

    "It causes a lot of people, including me, great distress to see judges use the authority that they have been given to make raw political or ideological decisions," he said. Sometimes, he said, "the Supreme Court has taken on this role as a policymaker rather than an enforcer of political decisions made by elected representatives of the people."

    Cornyn continued: "I don't know if there is a cause-and-effect connection, but we have seen some recent episodes of courthouse violence in this country. . . . And I wonder whether there may be some connection between the perception in some quarters, on some occasions, where judges are making political decisions yet are unaccountable to the public, that it builds up and builds up and builds up to the point where some people engage in, engage in violence. Certainly without any justification, but a concern that I have."

I can't wait to see the wave of populist violence against activist judges when this hits the courts. So much for the R claim of being the party of limited gov't.

Replaced_Texan 04-05-2005 11:34 AM

GOP Senator on the Courts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I can't wait to see the wave of populist violence against activist judges when this hits the courts. So much for the R claim of being the party of limited gov't.
Do they still try to claim that with a straight face?

Shape Shifter 04-05-2005 11:42 AM

GOP Senator on the Courts
 
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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Do they still try to claim that with a straight face?
As I've said here recently, it's so hard to tell when they're joking nowadays.

ltl/fb 04-05-2005 12:15 PM

GOP Senator on the Courts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I can't wait to see the wave of populist violence against activist judges when this hits the courts. So much for the R claim of being the party of limited gov't.
"I'd prefer using the criminal process rather than the regulatory process," Sensenbrenner told the executives.

Uh, right. I would too, for, you know, all kinds of shit.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 04-05-2005 12:18 PM

GOP Senator on the Courts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
"I'd prefer using the criminal process rather than the regulatory process," Sensenbrenner told the executives.

Uh, right. I would too, for, you know, all kinds of shit.
Yeah, it's bullshit of an idea.

But other than stupidity, let me suggest an alternate reason for the proposal: The House Judiciary Committee has jurisdiction over criminal-law issues. The House Judiciary Committee does not have jurisdiction over regulatory agencies, in particular the FCC.

ltl/fb 04-05-2005 12:21 PM

GOP Senator on the Courts
 
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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Yeah, it's bullshit of an idea.

But other than stupidity, let me suggest an alternate reason for the proposal: The House Judiciary Committee has jurisdiction over criminal-law issues. The House Judiciary Committee does not have jurisdiction over regulatory agencies, in particular the FCC.
I don't think it's stupidity. I think it's assholosity.

I like your reason too. I didn't get to the part about the Judiciary Committee because I couldn't bring myself to read any of the headings, or past the sentence I quoted.

ETA Sessenenensnbrenner appears to be on whatever committee oversees the FCC. Obviously I am missing something (shocker).

Hank Chinaski 04-05-2005 12:26 PM

GOP Senator on the Courts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
"I'd prefer using the criminal process rather than the regulatory process," Sensenbrenner told the executives.

Uh, right. I would too, for, you know, all kinds of shit.
the real preverts would probably like a little jail time.

Replaced_Texan 04-05-2005 12:40 PM

Vigilante fuckups
 
Minutemen not exactly helping

Quote:

Border patrol officials said the volunteers have been peaceful but have still been disrupting U.S. Border Patrol operations by unwittingly tripping sensors that alert agents to possible intruders. Agents have to respond to the false alarms, which pulls them off their normal patrols, said Andy Adame, a patrol spokesman.

When the volunteers aren't deployed, an alarm from a sensor - some of which are as close as 25 feet from the border - probably means there are illegal immigrants or drug smugglers in the area, Adame said.

"Now we not only have to look out for aliens and drug smugglers, now we have to look out for these untrained civilians who are unfamiliar with the landscape," he said.
If I were an enterprising coyote, I'd join the Minutemen in order to get a better lay of the land find out where, exactly, those sensors are. I don't think I could fake racisim for a month though.

ltl/fb 04-05-2005 12:43 PM

Vigilante fuckups
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Minutemen not exactly helping



If I were an enterprising coyote, I'd join the Minutemen in order to get a better lay of the land find out where, exactly, those sensors are. I don't think I could fake racisim for a month though.
Oh please. You'd spend all your time being dragged over to the border guards as an illegal. You'd never get close to the sensors.

sgtclub 04-05-2005 12:59 PM

GOP Senator on the Courts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
So much for the R claim of being the party of limited gov't.
The current leadership doesn't even give this lip service anymore. Hence, my contemplation of changing party affiliation.

Hank Chinaski 04-05-2005 01:25 PM

Vigilante fuckups
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I don't think I could fake racisim for a month though.
Oscar hasn't called you in what, 3 months? Just make that a sterotype, and tap into your inner new anti-Mexican feelings.

Hank Chinaski 04-05-2005 01:44 PM

show you our objectvivity? objectivity- we don't need no stinking objectivity
 
the AP photos from the pullitzer (Iraq) show the main steam press bias as this blogger notes:
  • Analyzing the AP's Pulitzer-winning photos

    Michelle Malkin links to this page displaying the 2005 Pulitzer Prize-winning photos for Breaking News Photography.

    This year, the prize went to the Associated Press staff for, as the Pulitzer organization's site says, "its stunning series of photographs of bloody yearlong combat inside Iraqi cities."

    I looked at the twenty photographs and broke them into groups on the basis of content. Here are my results:

    • U.S. troops injured, dead, or mourning: 3
    (2, 3, 11)
    • Iraqi civillians harmed by the war: 7
    (4, 5, 8, 9, 10, 13, 18)
    • Insurgents looking determined or deadly: 3
    (6, 15, 20)
    • US troops looking overwhelmed or uncertain: 3
    (7, 12, 14)
    • US troops controlling Iraqi prisoners: 2
    (16, 17)
    • Iraqis celebrating attacks on US forces: 2
    (1, 19)

    Equally telling is what the photos don't show:

    • US forces looking heroic: 0
    • US forces helping Iraqi civillians: 0
    • Iraqis expressing support for US forces: 0
    • Iraqis expressing opposition to insurgents: 0

here are the photos- http://www.pulitzer.org/year/2005/br...rks/index.html

here's the blogger- http://ridingsun.blogspot.com/2005/0...ng-photos.html

Why is it that the majority of americans see through this shit and vote intelligently, and Ty all his toadies don't see the bias?

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 04-05-2005 01:51 PM

GOP Senator on the Courts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb


ETA Sessenenensnbrenner appears to be on whatever committee oversees the FCC. Obviously I am missing something (shocker).
He's the chair of the judiciary committee, though. In the house, all that matters is being the chair.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 04-05-2005 01:52 PM

GOP Senator on the Courts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
The current leadership doesn't even give this lip service anymore. Hence, my contemplation of changing party affiliation.
Just give your money to Snowe, Collins, Chaffee, Shays, and McCain. (and maybe a couple of others.)

ltl/fb 04-05-2005 01:55 PM

GOP Senator on the Courts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
He's the chair of the judiciary committee, though. In the house, all that matters is being the chair.
Ah.

Tyrone Slothrop 04-05-2005 02:10 PM

show you our objectvivity? objectivity- we don't need no stinking objectivity
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Why is it that the majority of americans see through this shit and vote intelligently, and Ty all his toadies don't see the bias?
You raise a good point. Similarly, the Pulitzer committee gave the award for fiction to Marilynne Robinson's Gilead, the story of a 76-year-old preacher from Gilead, Iowa. What about the rest of us who aren't old and don't live in Iowa?

Tyrone Slothrop 04-05-2005 02:12 PM

GOP Senator on the Courts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Just give your money to Snowe, Collins, Chaffee, Shays, and McCain. (and maybe a couple of others.)
Because they'll give it that lip service?

taxwonk 04-05-2005 02:13 PM

show you our objectvivity? objectivity- we don't need no stinking objectivity
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
What about the rest of us who aren't old and don't live in Iowa?
I'll give you "don't live in Iowa."

Shape Shifter 04-05-2005 02:13 PM

show you our objectvivity? objectivity- we don't need no stinking objectivity
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski


Equally telling is what the photos don't show:

• US forces looking heroic: 0
• US forces helping Iraqi civillians: 0
• Iraqis expressing support for US forces: 0
• Iraqis expressing opposition to insurgents: 0[/list]
You guys want to find liberal bias hiding under every bed. There is a reason none of the photos in those catergories won Pulitzers.

• US forces looking heroic: - forgot to take the lens cap off

• US forces helping Iraqi civillians: - batteries in the digital camera died,l didn't get the shot

• Iraqis expressing support for US forces: - got the picture, but one of the Iraqis was making bunny ears over the head of a soldier

• Iraqis expressing opposition to insurgents: - bad lighting

sgtclub 04-05-2005 02:15 PM

GOP Senator on the Courts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Because they'll give it that lip service?
The era of small government is over (did it ever begin?)

Hank Chinaski 04-05-2005 02:17 PM

show you our objectvivity? objectivity- we don't need no stinking objectivity
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
You raise a good point. Similarly, the Pulitzer committee gave the award for fiction to Marilynne Robinson's Gilead, the story of a 76-year-old preacher from Gilead, Iowa. What about the rest of us who aren't old and don't live in Iowa?
Were there any young characters in the novel?

You can't be that dense- can you?

AP submits 20 (that's 20) photos- they win! the 20 had the mentioned breakdown. You think your little fiction story means anything? Keep your head in the sand, but unless you change your outlook you may have to pull it out someday soon so you can dob at Mecca 3 times a day.

ltl/fb 04-05-2005 02:17 PM

GOP Senator on the Courts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
The era of small government is over (did it ever begin?)
Certainly never did on y'all's watch.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 04-05-2005 02:19 PM

GOP Senator on the Courts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Because they'll give it that lip service?
Flipping parties is a better solution?

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 04-05-2005 02:19 PM

GOP Senator on the Courts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Certainly never did on y'all's watch.
You were smoking what between 1981 and 1989?

Tyrone Slothrop 04-05-2005 02:24 PM

show you our objectvivity? objectivity- we don't need no stinking objectivity
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Were there any young characters in the novel?
I don't know; I haven't read it. But I gave it to my mother, and she loved it. It made her cry.

Quote:

You can't be that dense- can you?
No, but thanks for asking.

Quote:

AP submits 20 (that's 20) photos- they win! the 20 had the mentioned breakdown. You think your little fiction story means anything? Keep your head in the sand, but unless you change your outlook you may have to pull it out someday soon so you can dob at Mecca 3 times a day.
Maybe they picked photos with a theme, instead of trying to pick 20 photos that in the aggregate reflected the scope and diversity of our Middle East policy ("OK, let's find one of our embassy staff in Bahrein now."). Maybe the Pulitzer committee then compared those 20 to the sets of 20 photos submitted by other people and thought the AP's photos were the bestest, photographically speaking. I don't know -- I'm just sayin'.

Tyrone Slothrop 04-05-2005 02:25 PM

GOP Senator on the Courts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Flipping parties is a better solution?
For whom?

Them moderate Republicans don't ever seem to do much of anything. Like a wheelbarrow, they just keep getting rolled.

Hank Chinaski 04-05-2005 02:26 PM

show you our objectvivity? objectivity- we don't need no stinking objectivity
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Maybe they picked photos with a theme, instead of trying to pick 20 photos that in the aggregate reflected the scope and diversity of our Middle East policy ("OK, let's find one of our embassy staff in Bahrein now."). Maybe the Pulitzer committee then compared those 20 to the sets of 20 photos submitted by other people and thought the AP's photos were the bestest, photographically speaking. I don't know -- I'm just sayin'.
Nice! An informed electorate is really important to a functioning democracy. Bush lied!!!!

Gattigap 04-05-2005 02:31 PM

show you our objectvivity? objectivity- we don't need no stinking objectivity
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Nice! An informed electorate is really important to a functioning democracy. Bush lied!!!!
On the plus side, recent legislative developments may make this incredibly biased selection of photos "indecent" and subject to criminal prosecution. God knows that'll produce an informed electorate. Regards!

Tyrone Slothrop 04-05-2005 02:31 PM

show you our objectvivity? objectivity- we don't need no stinking objectivity
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Nice! An informed electorate is really important to a functioning democracy. Bush lied!!!!
I'm thinking the electorate informed itself by reading newspapers over the course of the year, rather than waiting to look only at the 20 pictures in the Pulitzer-winning portfolio. Not least because they wouldn't know which pictures to look at until five months after the election. But your theory has some real promise. Put some more work into it, and I bet you can find a rich conservative -- a Scaife, say -- to back you with some $$$.

Shape Shifter 04-05-2005 02:33 PM

show you our objectvivity? objectivity- we don't need no stinking objectivity
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
On the plus side, recent legislative developments may make this incredibly biased selection of photos "indecent" and subject to criminal prosecution. God knows that'll produce an informed electorate. Regards!
Well, once the government controls the media, at least we won't have to worry about that pesky liberal bias.

Hank Chinaski 04-05-2005 02:34 PM

show you our objectvivity? objectivity- we don't need no stinking objectivity
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I'm thinking the electorate informed itself by reading newspapers over the course of the year, rather than waiting to look only at the 20 pictures in the Pulitzer-winning portfolio. Not least because they wouldn't know which pictures to look at until five months after the election. But your theory has some real promise. Put some more work into it, and I bet you can find a rich conservative -- a Scaife, say -- to back you with some $$$.
Oh, i'm sorry. You thought I was troubled by the "win" awarded by a leftist organization, for an orginazation i contend is biased. That wasn't my point, that would be similar to arguing about whether the Academy awards to Mike mean that the Academy has some liberal leaning. No my point was that the AP can't come up with 1 photo that was not anti-american. You say maybe it was a theme- I guess i agree, maybe where we differ is on what the theme is.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 04-05-2005 02:35 PM

GOP Senator on the Courts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Like a wheelbarrow, they just keep getting rolled.
Only since the dems lost 4 seats last fall. Before that they put some check on the wanton tax cuts.

Shape Shifter 04-05-2005 02:39 PM

show you our objectvivity? objectivity- we don't need no stinking objectivity
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Oh, i'm sorry. You thought I was troubled by the "win" awarded by a leftist organization, for an orginazation i contend is biased. That wasn't my point, that would be similar to arguing about whether the Academy awards to Mike mean that the Academy has some liberal leaning. No my point was that the AP can't come up with 1 photo that was not anti-american. You say maybe it was a theme- I guess i agree, maybe where we differ is on what the theme is.
Some of the photos from the conservatives were actually pretty good.

http://americablog.blogspot.com/malecorpsxx.jpg


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