*sigh*
 

It was in quotes- like how Adder is "intelligent and educated" and can imagine how evolution could have worked to do it.......

*sigh*
 

Well, yeah, that would drastically change the meaning. I wish people would remember that air quotes don't show up in newspaper quotes.

Tom DeLay, raging hypocrite.
 

Your new avatar is great, but I'm not sure it suits you. It always makes me anticipate some gonzo drug addled twisted logic- whereas your posts (while often misguided and incorrect) are typically straight forward.

Tyrone Slothrop, raging hypocrite.
 

If you truly believe, as you say you do, there is reasonable doubt whether Teri would have wanted her tube removed, then it is pretty sad that instead of exploring what that does or should mean in terms of the law (or humanity for that matter) you are on here griping about media treatment of Michael Schiavo and Tom Delay and what percent of him genuinely cares about Teri and what percent is "politically motivated." Bilmore, please concede that Delay is an asshole and that Michael Schiavo is not an evil man. This way, Ty can proceed to address the astonishing injustice happening now to a woman whose wishes were not proven as they were required to be under the law.

Tyrone Slothrop, raging hypocrite.
 

I think that the point of the trials was to prove what her wishes would have been as required under the law of the state of Florida.

Tyrone Slothrop, raging hypocrite.
 

I don't think you mean to, but you are twisting my words. I was trying to suggest that some of the people on the other side are acting reasonably, but I have tried to avoid saying that there is evidence from which one could reasonably conclude that she would have wanted to continue to live in this state. Many of the people who want her to be kept alive are acting out of the best of motives -- that's all I mean.

When I have worked on cases that have appeared in the media, I have never found the media reports particularly edifying or accurate, so I mistrust much of what I read about this case as well -- from what I can tell, with good reason. I have very little first-hand familiarity with the case. From what I know, I don't see a reason to believe that the Florida courts got it wrong.

more on DeLay's hypocrisy
 

William Saletan in Slate.

more on DeLay's hypocrisy
 

You get a precious metal vibrator dispensation.

Tyrone Slothrop, raging hypocrite.
 

Start here:
http://isteve.blogspot.com/2005/03/i...iavo-case.html

Then move on (gawd, it still actually hurts my fingers to type that phrase now) to the info in the news yesterday concerning the testimony of MS's sister, the judge's decision that she got her years grossly wrong, and his decision as to what she "really must have meant."

I don't think this all rises to "they definitely got it wrong", but it certainly doesn't rise to "they might have it right", either.

more on DeLay's hypocrisy
 

You need to get a room.

Tyrone Slothrop, raging hypocrite.
 

You linked to that blog recently, and I read it then. It's interesting, but I don't see anything in it that rises to the sort of clear and convincing evidence I'd want to see to decide that a court found the wrong facts. And there's lots of stuff showing up in "the news" about this case that's flat-out wrong, as suggested by the thing I linked to.

Besides, I thought you didn't care about what her wishes were. I thought that for you, it was all about maximizing the utils of those who still have functional brains.

more on DeLay's hypocrisy
 

Saletan quotes DeLay, which I figured might make it tougher for you to pretend that DeLay's views essentially track your own.

And that's not even getting to the interplay between the product liability suit that was filed after his father's death, and DeLay's expressed views about tort reform.

Tom DeLay, raging hypocrite.
 

It hearkens back to my younger days. Many a dark night I stared into the abyss that was the fountain on the quad and saw that very image staring back.

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That Delay's views track my own? Now you need to get a room with padded walls.

(I was referring to the other noted Delay fan and you, but I guess you got a coupon instead.)

Tyrone Slothrop, raging hypocrite.
 

Yeah. That's why I added "I don't think this all rises to "they definitely got it wrong", but it certainly doesn't rise to "they might have it right", either."

Tom DeLay, raging hypocrite.
 

Fountain, hell. I had that exact experience, time after time, until my roomates finally removed the bathroom door mirror.

Republicans with guts
 

Sayeth CNN:

• Anti-abortion activist Randall Terry, who has acted as a spokesman for Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, said a group in Washington would reach out to top officials and urge "anybody that has guts up there" to intervene in the case.

Hmm. I wonder if Congress will enforce that subpoena.

Republicans with guts
 

When you totally misread a post and reply to it, sometimes it's better to just erase.

Republicans with guts
 

The polls say: unlikely.

Republicans with guts
 

No one here has posted about the news that Jeb Bush sent state troopers (or their Fla. equivalent) to remove Schiavo and take her to another facility where a feeding tube would be installed, only to have the local police refuse to cooperate. The state troopers backed down. Brother Bush apparently doesn't feel quite so strongly about it.

Republicans with guts
 

"I have a grave concern that they'll expedite the process to kill her with an overdose of morphine," Bob Schindler told the press Monday outside the hospice where his 41-year old daughter is a patient.


"She's alive and she's fighting like hell to live," he added, remarking on his daughter's "amazing, amazing endurance."


Schindler added that when he visited his daughter Monday, she was "still showing facial expressions" -- among other signs of interaction.


"She's trying to talk but it's very, very subdued," Schindler said. "All we need, if it's not too late, is for someone to save her," he said.


http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...e_050328195614

Too bad he's not listening closely enough to hear her say, "Give me the morphine, you SOB!"

Republicans with guts
 

So, you think this is hurting her?

Tom DeLay, raging hypocrite.
 

I wouldn't quite say that.

But I'm not going to shed too many crocodile tears when Tom is abused, fairly or unfairly.

S_A_M

Republicans with guts
 

About as much as he thinks she's talking quietly.

Shame on You
 

Amen! God bless brother! Our prayers seem to be sustaining Terri for now, highlighting Guv'ner Jebs pissyellow cowardice in the face of facist judicial oppression.

http://home.comcast.net/~phildragoo/...6/site1376.jpg

maybe she really did want to die
 

What makes you think the court had any doubt?

And what makes you think the courts should just be making up new law when you like the result?

This may be a valid question in the abstract. But do you think this is a risk here, when there has been 16 years of litigation and legislation?

That is an excellent question. And I can't come up with an answer other than he must really think she wouldn't want to be kept "alive."

I remove my motion to expel Florida from the Union.

As a lawyer, you should know you are comparing apples and oranges.

And yes, circumstantial evidence does mean weak evidence.

Tom DeLay, raging hypocrite.
 

I haven't followed all of the Delay father details, but how did he answer it any more than Terri did?

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From what I understand (which is hearsay) DeLay was pretty moderate when he first got elected. Then he realized the key to raising money and party leadership was getting extreme. Just a rumour I heard from another Congressman.

I am just assuming there was doubt because Terri did not write anything, so their decision had to be based on Hearsay. More of that circumstantial evidence that you love.

In the common law system the courts make up law all the time. Do they not?

Yes - because it is my understanding that the focus was on procedure not on the fact of whether or not she wanted to die. Once that trial court made the call, the debate on that was over.

Or he is not a nice guy.


I would hate to have to use a passport to go to South Beach

A written statement would also have been hearsay, but a form of out-of-court statement offered to prove the truth that we find more reliable.

It's hearsay against hearsay. It always will be if the party in interest is unavailable to testify. If you're going to take the position that hearsay can never suffice, then you're essentially saying that no one can ever have their wish to be taken off of life support honored (and a sizable number can't, even if you allow written hearsay). While Bilmore's point about "sign the paper" is a fair one in principle, it rather buries one's head in the sand for the many instances when no one bothered.

More Good News From Iraq
 

• Iraqi resistance has peaked and is 'turning in on itself', according to recent intelligence reports from Baghdad received by Middle Eastern intelligence agencies.
  The reports are the most optimistic for several months and reflect analysts' sense that recent elections in Iraq marked a 'quantum shift'. They will boost the government in the run-up to the expected general election in May.
  
  Though the reports predict that violence against coalition troops and local forces is likely to continue for the foreseeable future, at least two Middle Eastern intelligence agencies believe that recent 'backchannel' initiatives aimed at persuading Sunni Muslim tribes in western Iraq to cease their resistance are meeting with some success.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...446356,00.html

Ty- now is it a scandal?
 

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...5E2703,00.html

Nixon-like, Kofi plans to throw his son to the wolves to keep his rent-free Manhatten address.

Annan to save face by saying son misled him
The Times
March 29, 2005
NEW YORK: Kofi Annan, struggling to survive as the UN Secretary-General, plans to blame his son for embroiling him in the oil-for-food scandal when a UN inquiry issues a harsh report today.

UN officials are hoping to deflect criticism of the UN chief by insisting that his son, Kojo, 29, misled him about payments that Kojo Annan received from a UN contractor.

Like in "All the President's Men" we just need to keep following the money, and Annan Sr/ Chirac/ Schroeder are all dead men.

Not in my mind. I say "sign the damn paper" partially because my position when it's not signed is that we cannot adequately determine the person's intent, and so should always err on the side of life.

Of course, if all survivors are in agreement, it's an easier call. But, when husband says "she told me once ten years ago that she would want to die in this situation", and parents and sibs strongly disagree, I don't think we should be making the decision that was made here without her signed written instrument. It errs the wrong way.

More Good News From Iraq
 

Quagmire! No blood for oil! Democracy is a western construct, and it's racist for us to impose it on others!

Republicans with guts
 

Can you imagine what sick dark thoughts go through SS's mind on an average day? Now mix in his future in-laws make him watch Jesus movies this weekend. I bet when he got back to the document productions Monday AM he hid some stuff just to be spiteful, and to empower himself.

BTW, if we want to argue evidence, what about prior bad acts and michael jackson? Talk about a dangerous law that allows this 'evidence'.

We have all of these normal, constitutionally-driven protections for individuals charged with crimes, and that's great, unless of course what they're accused of is really, really icky.

Whacko law.