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Re: Implanting Bill Gates's Micro-chips In Brains For Over 20 Years!

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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 532370)

They may remain insane, but they persist.

Part of the problem with COVID is the impact varies on different people. I know long haulers who will never have full use of their lungs again. I know others who barely flinched when they got it. I had a two day headache in early January that I attributed to third trimester of pregnancy, but in retrospect may or may not have been Omicron. I'll never know because I'm triple vaxxed and didn't test at the time.

But the major problem with messaging is the click bait world we live in, which means every utterance, study, debate, speculation, and anecdote about COVID will be breathlessly reported on no matter how benign, batshit or in between it is. And is all given equal weight no matter what the source.

I'm a Star Wars dork. I have acquaintances who work for Lucasfilm. One mildly changed his bio on Twitter last week, and there were no less than four Youtube videos speculating on What Does This Mean. They monetize the shit out of those videos. I know Star Wars dorks who have been able to quit their jobs and full time focus on putting out podcasts, videos, print media, and in some cases appearances at cons and shit. Hell, even I sometimes am on a podcast about legal shit and Star Wars (I get zero out of it other than the ability to spout off on cloning law...)

Anyhow, that's a tiny, teeny part of the clickbait universe. COVID is in the big pool with every single person out there in media and "media" wanting to breathlessly report, tear apart, pander, etc on everything. Like the Star Wars dorks, there are plenty that will fill the time with whatever they have on hand, even it it's wild ass speculation based off the thinnest, most distorted piece of information. And they can see via the clicks and the analytics and the money YouTube gives them what sort of stories sell and what doesn't. Measured, methodical reasonable stories do not dazzle and sell. The histrionic do. And our former President, as god awful as he was at every other thing he did/does, knew this instinctively, fostered it, and encouraged those who want to emulate and/or suck up to him to do the same. He's a fucking master at it and he set the tone for how the messaging was going to be. We're still paying for it and we may never come out of this sort of approach to anything and everything.

I agree. The concept of consensus is lost. That was coined by either Lippmann or Galbraith. It was built on the flawed notion there existed an enlightened crowd who could formulate a best case scenario for all and sell it to everyone.

The internet eliminated the instruments by which these narratives, later noble lies, and finally, now, neoliberal propaganda, could be imposed on the broader public.

The lying and spinning predated Trump. He’s not a cause. Certainly an accelerant. But just a PT Barnum in a system we - me as much or more than many - helped to create.

We lied and lied and lied and papered it all over with debt. And it worked. And then along came the internet, and no one could lie anymore.

And no one trusted anything anymore after 2008. It looked and smelled rigged (because it is, no matter how much we all claim it’s a meritocracy).

The internet made it impossible for anyone to say anything and Make It Stick. Lies, truth, a mix of both… That’s all done.

And I don’t think it’s coming back in our lives. I think the fight we’ll see for the rest of our lives re: information is a battle over whether the state and media corps should be able to peddle lies and push narratives to create stability.

Re: Implanting Bill Gates's Micro-chips In Brains For Over 20 Years!

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 532374)

If I remember right, this discuss started with someone here on the board defending Rogan.

But given the exchange you're having with RT here, I think we're all agreed that people who spread false shit for internet fame are shits cashing in on a bad system.

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 532375)

But the problem is, a lot of us still turn a blind eye to institutions lying. We’ll tsk tsk Rogan, who’s simply platforming dishonest or delusional skeptics, while saying nothing about narrative peddling and outright propagandizing by big tech and our media which serves the corporate masters which consolidated it.

Anyone who rips Fox but asserts that CNN isn’t biased, or that MSNBC, WaPo, or the Times, aren’t biased, is complicit in peddling narrative.

What none will say out loud is what we all know these complicit sorts think:

“We need to create some consensus, some control, and it should be grounded in support of policies that I think are best for the running of society.”

Plato called it the Noble Lie. And it’s dogged us for decades. Reagan (deficits don’t matter). Greenspan (housing market is fine!). Hillary (neoliberalism works for the poor). Cheney (we need to neutralize Saddam). Paulson (we need a bailout so banks can resume lending to Main Street).

These lies tend to come from one source. People who fancy themselves a managerial elite. Educated people like us (hence I accord blame to myself, because I will happily go along with any state-and-corporate media narrative that aids my class, and I have done so [I decried any bailout, until I calculated the economic impact one’s absence would have on me, at which point I supported it]).

The villains are not just the Rogan guests. The villains are also rampant in the institutions, like termites.

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 532376)

Anyone who rips Fox but asserts that CNN isn’t biased, or that MSNBC, WaPo, or the Times, aren’t biased, is complicit in peddling narrative.

this is so fucking tired.

Fox lies. They just outright lie, and when caught, they don't correct.

Set aside the "poor us, no body listens to poor conservatives like us who only spent a few hundred billion, maybe a trillion or two, dollars controlling most of the media viewed by old men and people who live in rural areas so we can whine about how the real slavery is masking..." Set aside that whiny crap that is 95% of what the right says these days.

They lie. About vaccines. They lie about race. They lie about immigrants. They lie about just about anything under the sun, and they double down when they are caught.

When MSNBC says something that gets called based on facts, they run a correction. They regularly apologize. They fix it like a rational reality based news source would. Sure, MSNBC has biases, no surprise there. But they still deliver reality based news. (Realize, you could read their news on twitter in 5 minutes instead of watching it cycle through for four hours at night on four different shows all repeating the same thing - it's not really deep news, but its news).

CNN, they just throw any old cock in the ring and watch them fight, that's just news as sports. That's why they've hired some of the sleaziest folks on the right. Sure, someone like Erin Burnett behaves like an actual journalist much of the time, but that's a small portion of their overall programming.

Your false equivalence is just more bullshit. Rogan got $100million for a heavily produced podcast with a big staff that spreads lies, he's as much an institution as any other media outlet. Do you really swallow that "poor Joey R" bs? Really? You'll swallow anything, won't you?

We don't need consensus. We need people who base views on reality to laugh at and dismiss the snake oil salesmen. As adults, our goal should not be to gain consensus with the toddlers, because they're just going to insist that we agree with them that nap time is bad.

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 532377)

this is so fucking tired.

Hi! Tired of Sebastian’s interminable nonsensical blather? (Fun Fact: I caught the original version of Sebastian’s latest post, in which he stated something like: “Then then internet came and there were no more lies.” Ha!) Well, I present to you the Song of the Day. The song of the day will not be limited by genre, style, or anything else — it will be whatever song I wish to post on that day.

With Marci Gras a couple of weeks away, I went with a modern take on traditional Marci Gras Indian music. Popularized by bands such as the Wild Magnolias and Wild Tchoupitoulas, Mardi Gras “Indians” are actually African-American gangs/bands that dress up in hyper-flamboyant headdresses and outfits for Mardi Gras, Super Sunday, ands St. Joseph’s Day. Not entirely uncontroversial (some argue they have engaged in cultural appropriation; I also have a New Orleans musician friend who does not believe they should ever be seen in their traditional outfits outside of the days listed above), the music is hard to argue with. The 79rs Gang is the collaboration of the Big Chiefs of two rival gangs—the 7th Ward Creole Hunters and the 9th Ward Hunters—and blends elements of hip hop with traditional Mardi Gras Indian music. On Wrong Part of Town, the instrumentation is just a wild assembly of percussion, but it feels fuller than that, and pushes the music forward through verses warning of the dangers of being caught in, well, the wrong part of New Orleans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdCRLg6pg6E

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this is so fucking tired.

It is. The argument this is false equivalence is such bullshit the only response to it is an eye roll.

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Fox lies. They just outright lie, and when caught, they don't correct.

This is unlike MSNBC or WaPo how exactly? I know, it's terrible taboo to cite Taibbi or Greenwald (because they can't be refuted on their claims of sleazy bias in the media, so instead, people on your side of the argument pivot to accusing them of cashing in by demonizing the media... which is of course a naked non-response/deflection to the accusation of bias). Taibbi has assiduously cataloged the mechanism by which the right and the left pump bullshit to audiences.

It's simple:

1. Report w/o fact-checking;
2. When it appears to have been untrue, don't issue a noticeable retraction... instead, bury it on page 7, or if it's online, simply edit the prior piece after the fact;
3. When flagged for a non-retraction on TV, bury the lede -- state it within a larger statement in which you nevertheless accuse the victim of the falsehood of something nefarious.

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Set aside the "poor us, no body listens to poor conservatives like us who only spent a few hundred billion, maybe a trillion or two, dollars controlling most of the media viewed by old men and people who live in rural areas so we can whine about how the real slavery is masking..." Set aside that whiny crap that is 95% of what the right says these days.

Agreed. Fuck Fox. And fuck almost every outlet that hyped Russiagate for four years, and is still foisting that bullshit. Fuck every outlet that is still focusing on Trump (even as his polling among the GOP is sinking). Fuck everyone on the left who used endless attacks on him as a cash cow (which played right into his game). And really, really, fuck the people at MSNBC who admit privately that they sell succor to suckers.

So yeah -- fuck all those people.

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They lie. About vaccines. They lie about race. They lie about immigrants. They lie about just about anything under the sun, and they double down when they are caught.

Yup. And their counterparts on the other side half-retract, half-apologize, and keep pumping out the same bullshit, week after week.

You can see it going on with the January 6 thing. CNN and MSNBC cover it endlessly, and hype it constantly. They desperately want this story to become the next Watergate. But guess what? No one really cares. It only gets traction among a small audience of news nuts. Society has moved on from Trump. The GOP is moving on from Trump. Who isn't? Well, CNN isn't. And for good reason. Their ratings are down monstrously since he left office.

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When MSNBC says something that gets called based on facts, they run a correction. They regularly apologize. They fix it like a rational reality based news source would. Sure, MSNBC has biases, no surprise there. But they still deliver reality based news. (Realize, you could read their news on twitter in 5 minutes instead of watching it cycle through for four hours at night on four different shows all repeating the same thing - it's not really deep news, but its news).

There's a great movie out there called OutFoxed. It explains how, when Fox was still somewhat sane, many years ago - before it lost all semblance of integrity - it used sly, nearly imperceptible devices, to propagandize for its right wing views. MSNBC is nearly identical to that Fox of old. And the Fox of today? You're right. It's just full on Pravda. Fantasy. 24/7 bullshit.

But Fox is obviously bullshit. You can't even watch it. MSNBC still looks like a news organization. But it's not. It's serving up opinion cleverly stuffed into news. I'd say it's much more effective manipulation than Fox's obvious bullshitting of today.

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CNN, they just throw any old cock in the ring and watch them fight, that's just news as sports. That's why they've hired some of the sleaziest folks on the right. Sure, someone like Erin Burnett behaves like an actual journalist much of the time, but that's a small portion of their overall programming.

I still watch CNN, however, because it's so bad at slanting (people like Stelter), one can easily separate the news from the spin. I also like Zakaria.

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Your false equivalence is just more bullshit. Rogan got $100million for a heavily produced podcast with a big staff that spreads lies, he's as much an institution as any other media outlet. Do you really swallow that "poor Joey R" bs? Really? You'll swallow anything, won't you?

I'm not defending Rogan or saying he is not an institution. He is. I think his putting on loony guests is problematic. But I also think he has the right to do whatever the fuck he likes. Like Fox, MSNBC, etc.

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We don't need consensus. We need people who base views on reality to laugh at and dismiss the snake oil salesmen. As adults, our goal should not be to gain consensus with the toddlers, because they're just going to insist that we agree with them that nap time is bad.

Where does this stop? I've elitist tendencies. I say godawful things about Joe Sixpack, and I've done it a lot here.

And I agree with you that an anti-vaxxer is a toddler. They drive me nuts. But you do realize that what you just said here is something dangerous. It's three simple words: "I know best."

On vaccines, you do. I do. All of us who got vaccinated do.

But, respectfully, I don't think I'd want you running policy of any kind. And I don't think you'd want me doing it. If people want to make bad decisions, they've a right to do so. If they want to believe bullshit, they've a right to do so. I don't object to nudging them in the right direction. But from where I am sitting, having viewed the decisions of people like us - the managerial professional classes - We Are Huge Fuck-Ups. The knuckledraggers may kill themselves and some of us with terrible decision making. But we make the really, really fucking awful decisions. 2008? Us. Iraq? Us. Wealth inequality? Us. Trump? A reaction to Us. We think we know everything, and repeatedly tinker with things, and then -- "Oh shit! The law of Unintended Consequences!" Our Brahmin of the moment are the dangerous fools of the next decade (Greenspan, Robert McNamara, Cheney, Most of Wall Street).

We can't lead without some consensus. And consensus is not people like Us telling others what to think or do, and trying to silence views we don't like or are bullshit. We can only give people good information. If they choose to reject it, that's on them. And if their foolishness harms us, well, that's the price one pays to live in a free society.

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 532379)

It is. The argument this is false equivalence is such bullshit the only response to it is an eye roll.

This is unlike MSNBC or WaPo how exactly? I know, it's terrible taboo to cite Taibbi or Greenwald (because they can't be refuted on their claims of sleazy bias in the media, so instead, people on your side of the argument pivot to accusing them of cashing in by demonizing the media... which is of course a naked non-response/deflection to the accusation of bias). Taibbi has assiduously cataloged the mechanism by which the right and the left pump bullshit to audiences.

It's simple:

1. Report w/o fact-checking;
2. When it appears to have been untrue, don't issue a noticeable retraction... instead, bury it on page 7, or if it's online, simply edit the prior piece after the fact;
3. When flagged for a non-retraction on TV, bury the lede -- state it within a larger statement in which you nevertheless accuse the victim of the falsehood of something nefarious.

Agreed. Fuck Fox. And fuck almost every outlet that hyped Russiagate for four years, and is still foisting that bullshit. Fuck every outlet that is still focusing on Trump (even as his polling among the GOP is sinking). Fuck everyone on the left who used endless attacks on him as a cash cow (which played right into his game). And really, really, fuck the people at MSNBC who admit privately that they sell succor to suckers.

So yeah -- fuck all those people.

Yup. And their counterparts on the other side half-retract, half-apologize, and keep pumping out the same bullshit, week after week.

You can see it going on with the January 6 thing. CNN and MSNBC cover it endlessly, and hype it constantly. They desperately want this story to become the next Watergate. But guess what? No one really cares. It only gets traction among a small audience of news nuts. Society has moved on from Trump. The GOP is moving on from Trump. Who isn't? Well, CNN isn't. And for good reason. Their ratings are down monstrously since he left office.

There's a great movie out there called OutFoxed. It explains how, when Fox was still somewhat sane, many years ago - before it lost all semblance of integrity - it used sly, nearly imperceptible devices, to propagandize for its right wing views. MSNBC is nearly identical to that Fox of old. And the Fox of today? You're right. It's just full on Pravda. Fantasy. 24/7 bullshit.

But Fox is obviously bullshit. You can't even watch it. MSNBC still looks like a news organization. But it's not. It's serving up opinion cleverly stuffed into news. I'd say it's much more effective manipulation than Fox's obvious bullshitting of today.

I still watch CNN, however, because it's so bad at slanting (people like Stelter), one can easily separate the news from the spin. I also like Zakaria.

I'm not defending Rogan or saying he is not an institution. He is. I think his putting on loony guests is problematic. But I also think he has the right to do whatever the fuck he likes. Like Fox, MSNBC, etc.

Where does this stop? I've elitist tendencies. I say godawful things about Joe Sixpack, and I've done it a lot here.

And I agree with you that an anti-vaxxer is a toddler. They drive me nuts. But you do realize that what you just said here is something dangerous. It's three simple words: "I know best."

On vaccines, you do. I do. All of us who got vaccinated do.

But, respectfully, I don't think I'd want you running policy of any kind. And I don't think you'd want me doing it. If people want to make bad decisions, they've a right to do so. If they want to believe bullshit, they've a right to do so. I don't object to nudging them in the right direction. But from where I am sitting, having viewed the decisions of people like us - the managerial professional classes - We Are Huge Fuck-Ups. The knuckledraggers may kill themselves and some of us with terrible decision making. But we make the really, really fucking awful decisions. 2008? Us. Iraq? Us. Wealth inequality? Us. Trump? A reaction to Us. We think we know everything, and repeatedly tinker with things, and then -- "Oh shit! The law of Unintended Consequences!" Our Brahmin of the moment are the dangerous fools of the next decade (Greenspan, Robert McNamara, Cheney, Most of Wall Street).

We can't lead without some consensus. And consensus is not people like Us telling others what to think or do, and trying to silence views we don't like or are bullshit. We can only give people good information. If they choose to reject it, that's on them. And if their foolishness harms us, well, that's the price one pays to live in a free society.

Congratulations. You have won the "King of False Equivalences" Crown. The award comes with a collection of bad memes and a propeller beanie hat. Please send all your personal information, including bank account information, to www.glenngreenwald.com and we will get you the package by return mail.

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 532379)

this is false equivalence ... such bullshit ... eye roll.

the right and the left pump bullshit to audiences ...

Fuck Fox. And fuck almost every outlet that hyped Russiagate for four years ...

So yeah -- fuck all those people. ...

their counterparts on the other side ...

... MSNBC is nearly identical to that Fox of old ...

Rogan ... has the right to do whatever the fuck he likes. Like Fox, MSNBC, etc.

...

If people want to make bad decisions, they've a right to do so. If they want to believe bullshit, they've a right to do so. ...

We Are Huge Fuck-Ups. ...

Lots of false equivalence, followed by "we have met the enemy and he is us" -- evergreen.

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Originally Posted by Icky Thump (Post 532373)

You should really watch The Expanse. By far the best SciFi I have watched, in forever.

We were waiting for the season to finish before getting into this last one. Absolutely love it. I'm two books from finishing the series too, and I can't think of a series where I loved both versions pretty much equally.

I aspire to glare as well as Camina Drummer.

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 532381)

Lots of false equivalence, followed by "we have met the enemy and he is us" -- evergreen.

Tired of the same old, same old? Tomorrow’s Song of the Day will be a completely different song. I have a lot to choose from.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 532383)

Tired of the same old, same old? Tomorrow’s Song of the Day will be a completely different song. I have a lot to choose from.

Paint it black! Paint it black you devils!

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I’m torn what is most cringey, reading these recent threads or watching Dr Pinple Popper?

Re: Implanting Bill Gates's Micro-chips In Brains For Over 20 Years!

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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 532383)

Tired of the same old, same old? Tomorrow’s Song of the Day will be a completely different song. I have a lot to choose from.

To be fair, it's more trite equivalence, or easy equivalence, or oleaginous equivalence. There's some element of truth to it, but in the same way that stereotypes are usually based on something.

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 532384)

Paint it black! Paint it black you devils!

Straight outta Hoboken.

Re: Implanting Bill Gates's Micro-chips In Brains For Over 20 Years!

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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 532383)

Tired of the same old, same old? Tomorrow’s Song of the Day will be a completely different song. I have a lot to choose from.

Ooooh. Please tell me you are going to the top of Billboard's Indian Music charts! https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...E7BF&FORM=VIRE

Or maybe you'll answer the long unanswered question from the north country: after the tragedy of the Tragically Hip, whom?