LawTalkers

LawTalkers (http://www.lawtalkers.com/forums/index.php)
-   Politics (http://www.lawtalkers.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16)
-   -   Patting the wrists, rolling the eyes. (http://www.lawtalkers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=661)

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 03-24-2005 04:12 PM

I Find This Unbelievable
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Unbelievable in what sense?

I think it would be ludicrous to impeach someone over one pretty minor issue. Just as the reelection of Pres. Bush was not, as he frequently interprets it to be, a wholehearted endorsement of his every thought and policy by the entire country, the wacko shit Gov. Bush is pulling over Schiavo isn't a single issue that should torpedo him.
Orval Faubus stood in the school-house door, believing that integration of the schools was wrong. His national reputation was not thereby improved.

ltl/fb 03-24-2005 04:14 PM

I Find This Unbelievable
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Orval Faubus stood in the school-house door, believing that integration of the schools was wrong. His national reputation was not thereby improved.
But he didn't get impeached.

My sibling went Central High in LR, btw, not that you care, and I remember when they filmed the TV movie. Good times!

bilmore 03-24-2005 04:14 PM

I Find This Unbelievable
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
Bill Bennet in the National Review:
I'm trying to remember if Bennet had any problem with the California rulings allowing for gay marriage. Weren't those actions squarely in line with the philosophy he's promoting here?

Hank Chinaski 03-24-2005 04:15 PM

I Find This Unbelievable
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
But he didn't get impeached.

My sibling went Central High in LR, btw, not that you care, and I remember when they filmed the TV movie. Good times!
What's your favorite restaurant on the River Walk?

bilmore 03-24-2005 04:16 PM

I Find This Unbelievable
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Orval Faubus stood in the school-house door, believing that integration of the schools was wrong. His national reputation was not thereby improved.
Rosa Parks wouldn't get up, believing that segregation of the buses was wrong. Her national reputation was much improved.

ltl/fb 03-24-2005 04:17 PM

I Find This Unbelievable
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
What's your favorite restaurant on the River Walk?
bzzzzt, nice try. There was no River Walk at the time that movie was filmed.

Hank Chinaski 03-24-2005 04:20 PM

I Find This Unbelievable
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
bzzzzt, nice try. There was no River Walk at the time that movie was filmed.
Sonny something Steakhouse is the only decent restaurant and it actually is mediocre- why would people stay there? liquor isn't from state stores which is good, but hell other states have that.

ltl/fb 03-24-2005 04:22 PM

I Find This Unbelievable
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Sonny something Steakhouse is the only decent restaurant and it actually is mediocre- why would people stay there? liquor isn't from state stores which is good, but hell other states have that.
I have no idea what you are talking about. As I said, it was a long time ago.

Tyrone Slothrop 03-24-2005 04:25 PM

Looming crisis in Social Security Trustee Report
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
Bush has defied the conventional wisdom and has taken on social security, and it has not destroyed him (at least not yet).
That was pretty brave of him, to wait until after his last election to focus on the issue. Let's just say that his political courage has been well remarked-upon by the congressional Republicans whom he's asking to stick their necks out. His road show is still trying to rally these troops.

Quote:

Now that something is actually being done, and the problem is at least being faced people actually say - well why don't we forget this and focus on a bigger problem.
The White House has conceded that the President's plan, such as it is, doesn't do anything to help the purported crisis. So in that sense, nothing is being done.

Hank Chinaski 03-24-2005 04:26 PM

Looming crisis in Social Security Trustee Report
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
The White House has conceded that the President's plan, such as it is, doesn't do anything to help the purported crisis. So in that sense, nothing is being done.
but remember they lie all the time, so maybe it would do something.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 03-24-2005 04:32 PM

I Find This Unbelievable
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
Rosa Parks wouldn't get up, believing that segregation of the buses was wrong. Her national reputation was much improved.
To what office had she been elected? Did she take an oath to uphold the constitution?

BTW, didn't we have this debate re Gavin Newsom already?

bilmore 03-24-2005 04:35 PM

I Find This Unbelievable
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
To what office had she been elected? Did she take an oath to uphold the constitution?

BTW, didn't we have this debate re Gavin Newsom already?
I don't think Newsom and Parks even knew each other.

Gattigap 03-24-2005 04:39 PM

Looming crisis in Social Security Trustee Report
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
but remember they lie all the time, so maybe it would do something.
"would have done." It was uncovered before, instead of after, passage.

Remember, Hank, the early discussions of SocSec reform, when the introduction of private, er, personal accounts would solve the problem????


Ah, those sweet, halcyon days. Gave Cato Institute staffers a narcotic stronger than heroin, so they say.

Replaced_Texan 03-24-2005 04:43 PM

Polling.

Congress isn't looking so hot right now.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 03-24-2005 04:49 PM

I Find This Unbelievable
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
I don't think Newsom and Parks even knew each other.
Nor did Rosa know Jeb.

sgtclub 03-24-2005 04:53 PM

I Find This Unbelievable
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
I'm trying to remember if Bennet had any problem with the California rulings allowing for gay marriage. Weren't those actions squarely in line with the philosophy he's promoting here?
Newsom acted against the law, which was enacted via the proposition process, by marrying same sex couples. I doubt Bennet agreed with Newsom on this.

ltl/fb 03-24-2005 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Polling.

Congress isn't looking so hot right now.
http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2...age681621l.jpg Is that Terri? If so, who decided to let Katherine (Kathleen?) Harris (or whatever the FL gov't woman who had something to do with the 2000 vote counts name is) do her makeup? And who the hell did her hair?

Maybe the picture is from the 80s.

Replaced_Texan 03-24-2005 04:56 PM

I Find This Unbelievable
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
Newsom acted against the law, which was enacted via the proposition process, by marrying same sex couples. I doubt Bennet agreed with Newsom on this.
If I recall correctly, Newsom argued that the proposition was unconstitutional under the State Constitution, and at least one court has subsequently agreed with him on that point. Bennet is arguing that Bush should go in, guns a blazing under some sort of "natural" law. In my mind that's slightly different.

sebastian_dangerfield 03-24-2005 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2...age681621l.jpg Is that Terri? If so, who decided to let Katherine (Kathleen?) Harris (or whatever the FL gov't woman who had something to do with the 2000 vote counts name is) do her makeup? And who the hell did her hair?

Maybe the picture is from the 80s.
Thats not Terri. That's a Franklin Mint plate commemorating the Cure's 1986 outdoor concert on the steps of the Capitol.

sebastian_dangerfield 03-24-2005 04:59 PM

I Find This Unbelievable
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
If I recall correctly, Newsom argued that the proposition was unconstitutional under the State Constitution, and at least one court has subsequently agreed with him on that point. Bennet is arguing that Bush should go in, guns a blazing under some sort of "natural" law. In my mind that's slightly different.
Bennett's drunk again. Get him to a casino, and fast. he's going through slots withdrawal.

Shape Shifter 03-24-2005 05:05 PM

I Find This Unbelievable
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Bennett's drunk again. Get him to a casino, and fast. he's going through slots withdrawal.
Shit. There goes the money for rent Ironweed fronted him.

Tyrone Slothrop 03-24-2005 05:26 PM

Looming crisis in Social Security Trustee Report
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
remember they lie all the time
indeed

Tyrone Slothrop 03-24-2005 05:34 PM

It's all good now....
 
....but little did Cpt. Katrina Lewison realize that her Purple Heart would someday preclude her from becoming President of the United States.

sgtclub 03-24-2005 05:34 PM

I Find This Unbelievable
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
If I recall correctly, Newsom argued that the proposition was unconstitutional under the State Constitution, and at least one court has subsequently agreed with him on that point. Bennet is arguing that Bush should go in, guns a blazing under some sort of "natural" law. In my mind that's slightly different.
He married couples before the case was decided.

Gattigap 03-24-2005 05:38 PM

I Find This Unbelievable
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
He married couples before the case was decided.
And?

Replaced_Texan 03-24-2005 05:39 PM

I Find This Unbelievable
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
He married couples before the case was decided.
I understand that, but I still think it's slightly different rationale. At least he was looking at state law, not some superceding natural law.

bilmore 03-24-2005 05:41 PM

I Find This Unbelievable
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I understand that, but I still think it's slightly different rationale. At least he was looking at state law, not some superceding natural law.
Newsome thought there was a constitutional problem. Bennet said explicitly that Bush saw a constitutional problem. They both thought they were also serving their own moral precepts. Where's the meaningful difference?

bilmore 03-24-2005 05:42 PM

It's all good now....
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
....but little did Cpt. Katrina Lewison realize that her Purple Heart would someday preclude her from becoming President of the United States.
I think you have it backwards. She was upfront about it.

sgtclub 03-24-2005 05:43 PM

I Find This Unbelievable
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I understand that, but I still think it's slightly different rationale. At least he was looking at state law, not some superceding natural law.
They are the same. Both looked at the law and decided they didn't like it, so they acted outside of it. I'm with Ty - process is very important.

Replaced_Texan 03-24-2005 05:43 PM

I Find This Unbelievable
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
Newsome thought there was a constitutional problem. Bennet said explicitly that Bush saw a constitutional problem. They both thought they were also serving their own moral precepts. Where's the meaningful difference?
The words "natural law."

I didn't say that Newsome was right. I just thought the rationale was slightly different.

taxwonk 03-24-2005 05:47 PM

I Find This Unbelievable
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
They are the same. Both looked at the law and decided they didn't like it, so they acted outside of it. I'm with Ty - process is very important.
Why are you giving Ty props. I've been the one arguing process (or Procedure, as Bilmore would have it) all along.

I'm miffed.

sgtclub 03-24-2005 05:58 PM

I Find This Unbelievable
 
Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk
Why are you giving Ty props. I've been the one arguing process (or Procedure, as Bilmore would have it) all along.

I'm miffed.
I wasn't limiting it to this case. I'm recalling the debate we had here on the Newsom case. If you are a process guy too, I'm happy to give you props.

Tyrone Slothrop 03-24-2005 06:02 PM

I Find This Unbelievable
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
They are the same. Both looked at the law and decided they didn't like it, so they acted outside of it.
I think there's a difference between, on the one hand, Bennett and MLK, and, on the other, Gavin Newsome, Jeb Bush and Orval Faubus. Civil disobediance is more likely appropriate when engaged in by people not in power. MLK and Bennett can go get themselves arrested because that's all they can do -- they have no official power. (Bennett is odious because you can rest assured that while he'll write that Bush should disobey the law, you can be sure that Bennett won't get off his ass to do it -- he'll be too busy telling whoever ghostwrites the Virtues line of books to write faster.) Jeb Bush and Orval Faubus are the executives of sovereign states, so they are exactly the wrong people to engage in any kind of civil disobediance. They embody state power, so the pose of acting against it rubs the wrong way. With Gavin Newsome, it wasn't so bad, because he wasn't the supreme official, and he openly acknowledged the authority of the state courts to tell him to stop.

Free Terri! 03-24-2005 06:41 PM

FIGHT THE LEFTIST DEATH POWER!
 
Greeting death mongers! I imagine that you must be celebrating a premature “victory” on this tragic day in our once great nation’s history. The activist liberal judiciary seems close to its goal of state sanctioned thus cementing the left and its democrat party as beacons of death and moral degeneracy. Still, I remain faithful that the true spirit of hope and patriotism of the American people will prevail and its wrath will be turned on the democrat party and its accomplices in the liberal judiciary.

The death sentences to the children at WACO, Elian and now the poor innocent brain damaged Schiavo will not sit without uprising. The nation is being forced to face the demon menace of the leftwinger cultists, and I predict that this day will resonate in the democrat party beING utterly destroyed in 2006 as tens of millions of God-loving and fearing Christians and Jews and other faithful turn their vengeance on at the polls.

Celebrate death now because your doomsday is approaching rapidly.

And yet, as grim as it looks, there is one last gasp of hope for life. JEB. Certainly this is the defining moment in his political evolution. A bold act, in defiance of the deathwhore Greer, to send in the Guard or the state police and take protective custody of this helpless young girl would certainly result in President Jeb come 2008. Pray for him to have the strength to fulfill a glorious vision.

It would be sweet vindication during this holiest weekend for robbing Elian of his freedom, like Reno’s raid in reverse. I can picture it coming in the middle of the night tonight as a SWAT team descends on the hospice in a convoy of Hummers and Ambulances with a team of Florida Guardsmen, triage doctors and nurses who can immediately administer saline and liquid nourishment to Terri while spiriting her off to safe haven. As the convoy heads out while Felos and Mike Schiavo are maced in the face as they try to interfere with justice. FREEDOM. Amen.


http://home.comcast.net/~phildragoo/...6/site1386.jpg

Shape Shifter 03-24-2005 06:49 PM

FIGHT THE LEFTIST DEATH POWER!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Free Terri!
Where do you find this stuff?

Hank Chinaski 03-24-2005 07:14 PM

FIGHT THE LEFTIST DEATH POWER!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Where do you find this stuff?
I remember Penske had a garage sale, maybe there?

Tyrone Slothrop 03-24-2005 07:29 PM

Caption, Please.
 
http://roxanne.typepad.com/rantrave/images/baldhead.jpg

He really has a thing for bald heads, doesn't he? But the sucking-the-brain-out-through-the-eye-socket thing is new to me.

sgtclub 03-24-2005 08:20 PM

I Find This Unbelievable
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I think there's a difference between, on the one hand, Bennett and MLK, and, on the other, Gavin Newsome, Jeb Bush and Orval Faubus. Civil disobediance is more likely appropriate when engaged in by people not in power. MLK and Bennett can go get themselves arrested because that's all they can do -- they have no official power. (Bennett is odious because you can rest assured that while he'll write that Bush should disobey the law, you can be sure that Bennett won't get off his ass to do it -- he'll be too busy telling whoever ghostwrites the Virtues line of books to write faster.) Jeb Bush and Orval Faubus are the executives of sovereign states, so they are exactly the wrong people to engage in any kind of civil disobediance. They embody state power, so the pose of acting against it rubs the wrong way. With Gavin Newsome, it wasn't so bad, because he wasn't the supreme official, and he openly acknowledged the authority of the state courts to tell him to stop.
We agree. I meant to say that the action that Bennet was proposing (i.e., Jeb's disobedience) and Newsom's are on par.

Sexual Harassment Panda 03-24-2005 08:28 PM

FIGHT THE LEFTIST DEATH POWER!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Free Terri!
Greeting death mongers! I imagine that you must be celebrating a premature “victory” on this tragic day in our once great nation’s history.
Yes, there will be black masses everywhere tonight. If you let me know where you are, I can find one for you to attend.

sgtclub 03-24-2005 08:43 PM

FIGHT THE LEFTIST DEATH POWER!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
Yes, there will be black masses everywhere tonight.
racist fuck


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:34 PM.

Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.
Hosted By: URLJet.com