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Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 09-01-2021 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 531862)
I have come in recent years to recognize that I have certain flaws in my assessments. Much like an economist, I assume rational actors too often. Much like an old line Republican who's perhaps not been as close to the hoi polloi of Social Conservativeland as I might be, I have a misguided assumption that some wise old moderate will always squash the most lurid demands of the Jesus Freaks.

The suicide bombers have the wheel. My gin soaked analyses of what will happen in the GOP might as well be from 1978.

I'd say I'm surprised, that I go to school every day. And I am, but I won't, because whatever leads to the sort of troglodyte reactive politics that caused this abortion debacle in TX I don't really want to understand. It's mental illness.
Yes, and the suicide bombers are chuckling at all the old line conservatives who have joined them for the ride, while simultaneously telling them Gilead is here and they can join the Sons of Jacob or choose the wall.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-01-2021 02:12 PM
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if you're a truly useful expert you're probably in the CIA
This has to be one of the funniest thing you've ever said here.

The CIA has a remarkable and enduring legacy of fucking things up.

Replaced_Texan 09-01-2021 04:05 PM
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Yes, and the suicide bombers are chuckling at all the old line conservatives who have joined them for the ride, while simultaneously telling them Gilead is here and they can join the Sons of Jacob or choose the wall.
What's really remarkable about this particular bill was that in the 2019 session, the Rs in the Texas legislature were super-super cautious about abortion laws. The Georgia law that will probably formally undo Roe came out when our ledge was in session, but they were spooked by the 2018 election results. Ds gained seats, Beto came within 200K of Cruz. They waaaay eased off the gas.

They must have seen something in 2020 that changed their minds.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 09-01-2021 05:47 PM
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What's really remarkable about this particular bill was that in the 2019 session, the Rs in the Texas legislature were super-super cautious about abortion laws. The Georgia law that will probably formally undo Roe came out when our ledge was in session, but they were spooked by the 2018 election results. Ds gained seats, Beto came within 200K of Cruz. They waaaay eased off the gas.

They must have seen something in 2020 that changed their minds.
I'm betting that something involves Hispanic voters. Priest have a lot of influence in many Hispanic communities, and played a big role in keeping the Dem vote down.

Just my speculation, I expect you know much better than I do.

Replaced_Texan 09-01-2021 06:16 PM
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Maybe. This Texas Monthly article goes into it, though. The woman who pushed it through is a freshman white woman. She doesn't seem the type to talk to Hispanic clergy. The biggest change was the make up of the court. And the absence of the staunchest defender of reproductive rights on the bench that we've ever had.

I was chatting with some OBs today. There is a very real chance that high-risk maternal fetal medicine specialists will leave the state because of this. Too dangerous to stay. Lots of women and children's lives have been put at risk.

The legislature knows this, and they do not care.

Hank Chinaski 09-01-2021 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 531868)
Maybe. This Texas Monthly article goes into it, though. The woman who pushed it through is a freshman white woman. She doesn't seem the type to talk to Hispanic clergy. The biggest change was the make up of the court. And the absence of the staunchest defender of reproductive rights on the bench that we've ever had.

I was chatting with some OBs today. There is a very real chance that high-risk maternal fetal medicine specialists will leave the state because of this. Too dangerous to stay. Lots of women and children's lives have been put at risk.

The legislature knows this, and they do not care.
Michigan has had a R state legislature for a while because of Gerrymandering; not as crazy as yours, but def not representative. But we had a vote a few years back to take redistricting away from the state legislature and put it in the hands of a panel. The panel is 4 D 4 R and 1 independent, whatever that means. I’m anxious to see what they do with the census.

Replaced_Texan 09-01-2021 10:42 PM
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Michigan has had a R state legislature for a while because of Gerrymandering; not as crazy as yours, but def not representative. But we had a vote a few years back to take redistricting away from the state legislature and put it in the hands of a panel. The panel is 4 D 4 R and 1 independent, whatever that means. I’m anxious to see what they do with the census.
Some D state senators just sued to put it in the hands of a Federal judge. We'll see what happens. That is the type of thing that could change things considerably around here.

Replaced_Texan 09-02-2021 10:18 AM
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What a shock, the two credibly accused of sexual assault voted to curtail the rights of women.

Adder 09-02-2021 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 531865)
This has to be one of the funniest thing you've ever said here.

The CIA has a remarkable and enduring legacy of fucking things up.
Truly.

sebastian_dangerfield 09-02-2021 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 531865)
This has to be one of the funniest thing you've ever said here.

The CIA has a remarkable and enduring legacy of fucking things up.
Agreed. The rest of the govt is bad enough that only fucking up a number of things, rather than almost all of them, is #winning

Hank Chinaski 09-02-2021 05:21 PM
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Agreed. The rest of the govt is bad enough that only fucking up a number of things, rather than almost all of them, is #winning
My Dave moment as a quasi-judicial employee of the US Dept of Commerce? A woman inventor was mad at me. She felt I handled her case poorly, disagreed with my decisions, etc.

I tried to explain my reasons, why I did what I did, but she wasn’t having it, would go back to yelling. Finally I said “maybe you should find yourself a new Patent Office.”

sebastian_dangerfield 09-02-2021 05:27 PM
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Okay, so this TX law is so stupid I can't really believe that what I've read about it so far is accurate. But the whole fucking world is collapsing in an orgy of idiocy, so it might be true. Anyway, here goes:

1. It gives private citizens the right to sue (or prosecute?) abortion providers who they think might be violating the law.

2. This was done to avoid a constitutional challenge that would accrue from having state actors enforce the law.

3. This was also done to avoid a constitutional challenge that would accrue from allowing women to be sued (or prosecuted?) for having abortions.

Um... How are the impact (subverting the right set forth in Roe) and the motive (intentionally thwarting a federally recognized right) not paramount? The law is using citizens as proxies, and attacking doctors rather than patients, to subvert a constitutional right under Roe.

And how does anyone determine probable cause? Say some officious shitball "citizen deputy" wishes to investigate a violation. How the fuck does this nitwit get around HIPAA?

Is this thing as dumb as it looks, or am I missing some diabolical genius in its construction? Seems to me all TX has done is pass a law so fucking stupid it'll take a few novel but hardly complex arguments, and a little more time than usual, to strike it.

Replaced_Texan 09-02-2021 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 531875)
Okay, so this TX law is so stupid I can't really believe that what I've read about it so far is accurate. But the whole fucking world is collapsing in an orgy of idiocy, so it might be true. Anyway, here goes:

1. It gives private citizens the right to sue (or prosecute?) abortion providers who they think might be violating the law.

2. This was done to avoid a constitutional challenge that would accrue from having state actors enforce the law.

3. This was also done to avoid a constitutional challenge that would accrue from allowing women to be sued (or prosecuted?) for having abortions.

Um... How are the impact (subverting the right set forth in Roe) and the motive (intentionally thwarting a federally recognized right) not paramount? The law is using citizens as proxies, and attacking doctors rather than patients, to subvert a constitutional right under Roe.

And how does anyone determine probable cause? Say some officious shitball "citizen deputy" wishes to investigate a violation. How the fuck does this nitwit get around HIPAA?

Is this thing as dumb as it looks, or am I missing some diabolical genius in its construction? Seems to me all TX has done is pass a law so fucking stupid it'll take a few novel but hardly complex arguments, and a little more time than usual, to strike it.

Re: HIPAA. I've never had a tweet go viral before yesterday. That said, plaintiff's lawyers routinely pay hospital staff for PHI. Not sure how this would be different.

There are more insidious parts of it:

* Imposes costs on defense COUNSEL if they do not prevail. And they must prevail in all points or else they have not prevailed. No costs on plaintiffs.
* That applies to challenges of ANY abortion laws in Texas.
* Can sue in any county in Texas and defense cannot change venue. Which means city docs and abettors are going to be hauled across to the most podunk, pre rigged counties in the state.
* Abet or INTENDS to abet an abortion.
* There's an emergency provision, but it's written in a way that we have to fucking wait for people to start bleeding out before we can terminate.


This is a diabolical, evil law that should have been struck down with prejudice. But given the make up of the Court, it's not surprising in the least.

We're going to have a lot more women die in childbirth. We're going to have a lot more bad babies. We're going to have a lot more OBs sued. The MFM docs are going to leave en masse.

And the legislature does not give a fuck. In fact, they're gleefully drafting more abortion restrictions as I type because they clearly got the go ahead from their buddies on the Court.




Biden should federalize docs, send down a fleet and open USA Abortion Clinics down here in all of the post offices.

Hank Chinaski 09-02-2021 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 531876)
Re: HIPAA. I've never had a tweet go viral before yesterday. That said, plaintiff's lawyers routinely pay hospital staff for PHI. Not sure how this would be different.

There are more insidious parts of it:

* Imposes costs on defense COUNSEL if they do not prevail. And they must prevail in all points or else they have not prevailed. No costs on plaintiffs.
* That applies to challenges of ANY abortion laws in Texas.
* Can sue in any county in Texas and defense cannot change venue. Which means city docs and abettors are going to be hauled across to the most podunk, pre rigged counties in the state.
* Abet or INTENDS to abet an abortion.
* There's an emergency provision, but it's written in a way that we have to fucking wait for people to start bleeding out before we can terminate.


This is a diabolical, evil law that should have been struck down with prejudice. But given the make up of the Court, it's not surprising in the least.

We're going to have a lot more women die in childbirth. We're going to have a lot more bad babies. We're going to have a lot more OBs sued. The MFM docs are going to leave en masse.

And the legislature does not give a fuck. In fact, they're gleefully drafting more abortion restrictions as I type because they clearly got the go ahead from their buddies on the Court.




Biden should federalize docs, send down a fleet and open USA Abortion Clinics down here in all of the post offices.
I know it is no comfort short term, but the personal empowerment to be the plaintiff shit seems double unconstitutional (umm I basically took con law pass fail, but still). And I still distinguish/hope for a difference between granting an emergency stay and a reversal of Roe. I may be wrong, but I am still hopeful that they won't do such a reversal.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-03-2021 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 531877)
I know it is no comfort short term, but the personal empowerment to be the plaintiff shit seems double unconstitutional (umm I basically took con law pass fail, but still). And I still distinguish/hope for a difference between granting an emergency stay and a reversal of Roe. I may be wrong, but I am still hopeful that they won't do such a reversal.
It seems hard to be too cynical about what the five most conservative justices are doing to the Constitution and the Court.


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