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Sidd Finch 05-18-2005 04:55 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
It was serious. I was responding to SH's belief, disagreeing with him. Frist and Reid are simply bloviating and lying, pandering to all those voters who have no effing clue what a filibuster really is, and what the Constitution says, while they play out their strategies and tactics. There's nothing unconstitutional about denying a vote through filibuster, or wiping out judicial filibusters. Similarly, there's no abridgment of freedom of speech (asshole Reid) by invoking cloture. They're just trying to spin to get the most uninformed support. Anyone who paid attention to two or three pertinent law school classes knows this. This is all simply a fight over votes, not principles, on both sides.
I agree with you. For some reason I thought you were responding to Ty. I think I was distracted by all the tit pics on the FB. 'Tis my only excuse.

Say_hello_for_me 05-18-2005 05:19 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
It was serious. I was responding to SH's belief, disagreeing with him. Frist and Reid are simply bloviating and lying, pandering to all those voters who have no effing clue what a filibuster really is, and what the Constitution says, while they play out their strategies and tactics. There's nothing unconstitutional about denying a vote through filibuster, or wiping out judicial filibusters. Similarly, there's no abridgment of freedom of speech (asshole Reid) by invoking cloture. They're just trying to spin to get the most uninformed support. Anyone who paid attention to two or three pertinent law school classes knows this. This is all simply a fight over votes, not principles, on both sides.
Ha! You THINK you are disagreeing with me. I was only disagreeing with Ty's implicit assertion that Frist had ever considered, one way or another, that these things were Constitutional before the Man put him in charge. Its simply implausible.

There are all kinds of Senate rules like this that I'm sure nobody ever really thinks about challenging. Seriously, who would sit around and daydream "I'm voting to filibuster this mutha, but I wonder if...".

No way.

Fast forward by a few years though, and suddenly in a leadership position (much like the D leaders are doing), he's gotta start thinking up all kinds of ridiculous justifications and soundbites for the masses.

Bottom line here, as in almost anything else, is might makes right. If the Dems wanted to spin this more, they should have either screamed a LOT more about whatever complaints they had for the judges, or they should have let it go through to the up or down votes. Right now, nobody in this country really knows what they objected to (on a "mass" level), and nobody really cares if Teddy Kennedy doesn't get to keep talking.



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Sexual Harassment Panda 05-18-2005 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
I agree with you. For some reason I thought you were responding to Ty. I think I was distracted by all the tit pics on the FB. 'Tis my only excuse.
Ahem...yes, I was just over at the FB...yeah, um...(straightening tie)...what were we talking about again?

bilmore 05-18-2005 05:30 PM

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Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
Ahem...yes, I was just over at the FB...yeah, um...(straightening tie)...what were we talking about again?
Frist, and mushroom-shaped . . . ummm . . . nevermind.

Sexual Harassment Panda 05-18-2005 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
Frist, and mushroom-shaped . . . ummm . . . nevermind.
Clouds? Nuclear options? I can't keep up with this board, let alone that one too.

Say, did you see Galloway made your Senator his beeeyotch yesterday?

I'm Not Me 05-18-2005 08:23 PM

You have to hand it to the Catholics.......
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
Who is the new guy?

Hank Chinaski 05-18-2005 08:26 PM

You have to hand it to the Catholics.......
 
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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Do firemen have undergraduate degrees? This is not a question of whether they deserve more for putting their lives on the line, but rather of what they can earn elsewhere. I suspect that people with college degrees, particularly with a specialization certificate (as many states require for teaching) average higher than $55k.
BA degrees don't carry much weight w/o more Sidd. About 1/3 of the secretaries at my shop have them- and we do what? pawn shop law.

bilmore 05-18-2005 11:05 PM

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Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
Say, did you see Galloway made your Senator his beeeyotch yesterday?
Damn! No, I missed that!

I did watch all the hearings, though.

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SlaveNoMore 05-19-2005 01:48 AM

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bilmore
Damn! No, I missed that!

I did watch all the hearings, though.
Wasn't it exactly like Episode 37 of the original Star Trek "The Drunk of Laguvulin"?

After 30 years of failed missions, the USS Enterprise is invesitgated by a group of government mechanics. A lengthy digital trail implicates Mr. Scott in wholesale, illegal sales of hyperdrive technology to the Klingons.

In hearings before the Interplanetary Council, Mr. Scott gets all pissy. "Scotty" ignores all questions of illegally sellling warp drives and questions the legitimacy of the Council in light of their ban on Romulan dichlorium. He then places blame at the feet of Captain Kirk, saying he should have never banged the green lizard girl.

ltl/fb 05-19-2005 11:51 AM

What is with you people?
 
Congressional total* ban on women in combat? Party-line vote in committee? WTF? Some guy in your party talking about "our mothers and daughters" -- yeah, mothers and daughters who have volunteered.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...nse_bill_women

*I think there is grandfathering

ltl/fb 05-19-2005 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Wasn't it exactly like Episode 37 of the original Star Trek "The Drunk of Laguvulin"?

After 30 years of failed missions, the USS Enterprise is invesitgated by a group of government mechanics. A lengthy digital trail implicates Mr. Scott in wholesale, illegal sales of hyperdrive technology to the Klingons.

In hearings before the Interplanetary Council, Mr. Scott gets all pissy. "Scotty" ignores all questions of illegally sellling warp drives and questions the legitimacy of the Council in light of their ban on Romulan dichlorium. He then places blame at the feet of Captain Kirk, saying he should have never banged the green lizard girl.

Defending Clinton? I'm shocked.

I'm also shocked that you are giving away that Anakin is both Darth Vader and Luke's daddy.

Sexual Harassment Panda 05-19-2005 12:13 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
Damn! No, I missed that!

I did watch all the hearings, though.
You have the time to do that?

If you missed it, it may have been because Fox cut away at that point for a Minuteman HQ pledge break.

Replaced_Texan 05-19-2005 12:20 PM

What is with you people?
 
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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Congressional total* ban on women in combat? Party-line vote in committee? WTF? Some guy in your party talking about "our mothers and daughters" -- yeah, mothers and daughters who have volunteered.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...nse_bill_women

*I think there is grandfathering
I read a soldier's blog while she was in Iraq, and she saw some combat. (She's home now. I think she was there for a year, and I started reading her shortly after she got there.)

At any rate, she's been saying for quite a while now that it's impossible to pull women out of combat areas because there is no front line in a war like Iraq. At any moment any place in the country could become a battlefield. Inadequately preparing women for the possibility of combat puts our soldiers at risk in situations like that, and with recruiting down for the thrid (?) month in a row, it seems patently ridiculous to pull women out because they may be put into a combat situation.

Word of warning, ginmar is quite a militant feminist,* no pun intended, so her views on the subject (among others) may be extreme.

I think that the ambush she faced last year was in early April. It was pretty horrific to read about, and I think she's since locked the relevant post due to concerns about security, but you can sort of get an idea here of one woman's life in a combat zone last year.

* Not to mention a feminist militant. -- T.S.

Tyrone Slothrop 05-19-2005 01:53 PM

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