Form 180?
 

Lie? You've gone from "he only heard it third-hand" to "lie"? That word has been tossed around awfully easily in the last year or two, and has done more than most other factors to make the rift permanent, I think. I'm just about to the "f you" point, just over the ease with which that word is used.

Especially considering the news about the organized bugout of Saddam's nuclear weapons facilities.

An honest, though partisan, question
 

Now that it looks like Social Security is to GWB as Health Care Reform is to Hillary, is Hillary somewhat innoculated from memories of that disaster?

During the next election, assuming Hillary is part of it, I would assume approximately an equal number of mentions of the failure to reform Social Security and the failure to reform Health Care, but the social security debate will be fresher in people's minds. Or is there a candidate (Other than Collin Powell, who was pushed overboard before the ship crashed) on the Rs side who will be able to distance himself from George's Folly?

An honest, though partisan, question
 

Is Bush running again? What likely candidate can legitimately have SS reform attached to him/her? Frist is probably the closest.

An honest, though partisan, question
 

Hmmm.

"George's Folly"?

1. Won second term.
2. Won in Afghanistan.
3. Won in Iraq.
4. Making good headway transforming Iraq into a democracy.
5. Scaring Syria shirtless.
6. Expanding economy.
7. Coattails like all get-out.

I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Arnold Quiz
 

In my world, we're thinking that you're thinking I am accusing AS of being bought. I am not. I am saying he's hypocritical for taking a ton of money from like minded in- and out-of-state business groups who favor his policies and ballot initiatives, while decrying groups like the nurse's unions as "special interests" for giving money to his foes in the legislature and to the efforts opposing his ballot measures.

(News Flash: Politician's Sound Bite is Hypocritical. Film at 11.)

Form 180?
 

And those Chemical RVs.


Bush lied!

An honest, though partisan, question
 

So the answer when someone brings up what was initially the top domestic priority of his second term is to change the subject?

He decided to spend political capital. But he made a very poor investment. Hmmmm. Sounds like an analogy is in there somewhere.

I expect all Rs to be painted with Social Security reform failure by whatever D gets the nomination - talking about social security is something that always gets Rs in trouble. The only R who wins on the issue is someone who can distance themselves from
Bush (which most will not want to do for other reasons) and then talk like a Democrat on the subject.

An honest, though partisan, question
 

Sure, except that you have to make the additional step of attributing the individual's decisions to any member of the party.

Are you saying that Hillary is going to have a problem with her military record too?

An honest, though partisan, question
 

No one is going to question Hillary's on her machismo.

An honest, though partisan, question
 

This sort of thing doesn't hurt:

• Alan Greenspan and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton clashed briefly Tuesday over rosy surplus forecasts the Federal Reserve chairman relied on to support President Bush's 2001 tax cuts, estimates that turned out to be considerably off the mark.
  
  "It turns out that we were all wrong," Greenspan conceded at a Senate hearing.
  
  "Just for the record, we were not all wrong, but many people were wrong," Clinton, D-N.Y., quickly shot back.

AP

An honest, though partisan, question
 

Well, they thought no one would get dinged until 2009/10 when the financial shit hit the fan. Greenspan will have retired, and Bush will be out of office. With any luck, a D will be in office.

Form 180?
 

Three years is a long time, but as of now, no one has more than a prayer of beating her in a Democratic primary.

I also think you misunderestimate her as a politician. 18 years in in the national spotlight is a long time to learn hard lessons. She has learned a lot -- and didn't just buy votes in NY in 2000, BTW. (her first elective office) Her time as first lady helped her build a national consituency and name recognition (for good or bad) that takes her well outside the realm of the average Senator running for President. Her husband is also a pretty skilled campaigner, fundraiser and campaign adviser. There are those who firmly believe that, if Gore had listened more to Clinton in 2000, he'd have won.

S_A_M

Also -- Dean taking on the party Chair takes him out of the fray while letting him build lots of chits for the future. if the 2006 election cycle goes quite well for the Dems, he _might_ step down and run in 2008. If the Dems get pounded in 2006, he might step down, but wouldn't likely be a successful candidate.

Form 180?
 

That's all true. But he's way behind Hillary -- and still in his late 40s (I think) -- so he can be around in the next decade.

He will be looking for a job in the next election cycle though (VA has only one term governors). Who knows, maybe he can pick off one of the GOP Senators. (Though I kinda like Warner.)

S_A_M

Form 180?
 

His wife told him she'd divorce him.

S_A_M

Form 180?
 

You hurt me. Hank. BTW -- casual Friday for the icon?

S_A_M