Nail in the Credibility Coffin
 

Well, excuuuuse me!

Geez.

S_A_M

P.S. FREE NEW ORLEANS!

the goron legacy
 

And Aphganistan elected legislatures.

the goron legacy
 

This is your best material.

Question for People against the War in Iraq
 

Not that I fall into this category -- because I supported the invasion of Iraq until it became clear that the administration was dead wrong about WMDs -- but here are my answers. Keep in mind that any answers to your questions are pretty subjective:

(1) Nope.

(2) About the level of Pol Pot in Cambodia; Idi Amin in Uganda; the Tutsis in Rwanda; and/or Hitler in Germany.

In my view -- we really don't generally have a "moral right" to invade a nation, and in so doing kill many people -- on the premise that we are probably saving more lives from a largely different set of the population.

In my view, a "moral right" to invade kicks in as the situation approaches genocide.


So, much as I dislike Penske's pal Chavez, and disliked Hussein -- I would not have assigned us a "moral right" to invade those countries. Now, that doesn't mean I wouldn't try to knock the governments over -- but I wouldn't claim I had a "moral right" to do so.

S_A_M

P.S. Did y'all see the Broder column and the WaPo editorial yesterday -- both urging a swift confirmation for Roberts? Both said he's as good a candidate as the Dems could possibly hope for from Bush, and ridiculously well-qualified.

Efs and to add:

P.P.S. Hank -- tell me how this proposed deal with N. Korea is all that much different from what Clinton did in 1993?

Question for People against the War in Iraq
 

Ok. I'll play. Though I don't have all day to debate you on this. I feel this disclaimer is a prerequisite to entering into any sort of Spanky-driven discussion.

no.

"moral right"? I don't even know what this means. is it worth the loss of a lot of American lives to educate people in far off lands about how much better our system of handling things is and why they should want to be like us? I don't think that our role is to be policeman to the world. you do. what's to discuss?

Question for People against the War in Iraq
 

I don't think he wanted girls to answer.

Question for People against the War in Iraq
 

the babyjesus was not beloved in his day either.

And the NYTimes, in an effourt to maintain its position as the paper of record of the delusionally looney left, gave him a thumbs down. I'm sure Schumer, Kennedy and Biden had a little circle jerk-off while reading that one to each other.

In fairness, perhaps the Times outsourced that editorial to Jayson Blair.

Question for People against the War in Iraq
 

Please fix this so I am not forced to turn off signatures altogether.

they want us to die
 

These photos and captions have been tossed about for weeks. Here's what Snopes has to say on it:

"Origins: Looting is an unfortunate and largely inevitable result of large-scale disasters. Many property owners have to evacuate their homes and businesses ahead of the coming disaster (or flee the area in its aftermath) without leaving behind anyone to protect their property, and law enforcement and other emergency services are generally so overwhelmed dealing with life-and-death issues that they can't spare the manpower to protect private property. People who are caught unprepared (or remain in the disaster area for other reasons) often have to shift into survival mode and take whatever supplies they can get wherever they can find them, and there are always a few who will take advantage of confusion and chaos to make off with other people's property for their own enrichment.

The onslaught of Hurricane Katrina in the Gulf Coast in late August 2005 brought the phenomenon of looting into the national spotlight once again, including the two new service photographs shown above, both of which were carried by Yahoo! News and other Internet news outlets and showed persons wading through chest-deep water in the New Orleans area with supplies taken from grocery stores. Many viewers noticed the seeming disparity of the darker-skinned subject's being described in the accompanying caption as "looting a grocery store," while the lighter-skinned subjects were described as "finding bread and soda from a local grocery store."

Are these captions evidence of a subtle (or overt) racial prejudice in the news media?

It's difficult to draw any substantiated conclusions from these photographs' captions. Although they were both carried by many news outlets, they were taken by two different photographers and came from two different services, Associated Press (AP) and Getty Images via Agence France-Presse (AFP). These services may have different stylistic standards for how they caption photographs, or the dissimilar wordings may have been due to nothing more than the preferences of different photographers and editors, or the difference might be the coincidental result of a desire to avoid repetitive wording (similar photographs from the same news services variously describe the depicted actions as "looting," "raiding," "taking," "finding," and "making off"). The viewer also isn't privy to the contexts in which the photographs were taken — it's possible that in one case the photographer actually saw his subject exiting an unattended grocery store with an armful of goods, while in the other case the photographer came upon his subjects with supplies in hand and could only make assumptions about how they obtained them.

A Salon article on the photographs by Aaron Kinney suggests the captions were a result of a combination of contexual and stylistic differences:

Jack Stokes, AP's director of media relations, confirmed today that [photographer Dave] Martin says he witnessed the people in his images looting a grocery store. "He saw the person go into the shop and take the goods," Stokes said, "and that's why he wrote 'looting' in the caption."

Regarding the AFP/Getty "finding" photo by [photographer Chris] Graythen, Getty spokeswoman Bridget Russel said, "This is obviously a big tragedy down there, so we're being careful with how we credit these photos." Russel said that Graythen had discussed the image in question with his editor and that if Graythen didn't witness the two people in the image in the act of looting, then he couldn't say they were looting.

The photographer who took the Getty/AFP picture, Chris Graythen, also posted the reasons behind his caption:
I wrote the caption about the two people who 'found' the items. I believed in my opinion, that they did simply find them, and not 'looted' them in the definition of the word. The people were swimming in chest deep water, and there were other people in the water, both white and black. I looked for the best picture. there were a million items floating in the water — we were right near a grocery store that had 5+ feet of water in it. it had no doors. the water was moving, and the stuff was floating away. These people were not ducking into a store and busting down windows to get electronics. They picked up bread and cokes that were floating in the water. They would have floated away anyhow"

http://www.snopes.com/katrina/photos/looters.asp

ETA - this post should be debunked, too. It can be found here, here, here, here, here [you get the idea]

Question for People against the War in Iraq
 

Unless I'm mistaken, and off a few months, Penske gets kicked off the board in late January. Can't you just gut it out?

Question for People against the War in Iraq
 

If I've learned anything from this sock, it's that I grow old after a while.

Question for People against the War in Iraq
 

clinton gave NK two light water reactors, current deal explicitely refuses to do so.

Question for People against the War in Iraq
 

Often we're the last to know when we've become tired. Maybe you and @50 can both take a break?

Question for People against the War in Iraq
 

I will call Chavez and pray to the babyjesus and let you our decision.

Question for People against the War in Iraq
 

If you'll retire that sock, I'll disappear for a while.