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Gattigap

03-21-2005 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
I would like the feeding tube pulled too, not just the plug.

Many living wills have multiple options -- you can choose to name a proxy for you, to accept or decline nutrition, and to accept or decline hydration. Obviously, if you want it all ended, you decline all three.

ltl/fb

03-21-2005 02:47 PM

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Many living wills have multiple options -- you can choose to name a proxy for you, to accept or decline nutrition, and to accept or decline hydration. Obviously, if you want it all ended, you decline all three.

What I really want is someone to inject a fringe-sized dose of what they use to put pets down. I think this would be immensely preferable to starving to death. But that does not appear to be an option.

Still, starving to death is better than the available alternative. Actually I guess it would more likely be thirsting to death.

Replaced_Texan

03-21-2005 03:00 PM

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What I really want is someone to inject a fringe-sized dose of what they use to put pets down. I think this would be immensely preferable to starving to death. But that does not appear to be an option.

Still, starving to death is better than the available alternative. Actually I guess it would more likely be thirsting to death.

Thirsting into kidney failure is the most likely scenario.

bilmore

03-21-2005 03:03 PM

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Thirsting into kidney failure is the most likely scenario.

I'll have the large bolus of heroin, thank you.

ltl/fb

03-21-2005 03:04 PM

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I'll have the large bolus of heroin, thank you.

Is that an option in your state? If so, I may reconsider my prejudice against "winter."

bilmore

03-21-2005 03:09 PM

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Is that an option in your state? If so, I may reconsider my prejudice against "winter."

Well, sure.

It's sort of a private option, though. If they catch you, you get in big trouble.

Of course, you're already dead, so the deterrent effect is minimal.

ltl/fb

03-21-2005 03:19 PM

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Well, sure.

It's sort of a private option, though. If they catch you, you get in big trouble.

Of course, you're already dead, so the deterrent effect is minimal.

Even if I'm dead, I don't want to get my doctor/family/dealer in trouble for "murder" or whatever.

viet_mom

03-21-2005 04:29 PM

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My impression is that the issue is less about the courts interpreting what her comments meant and what circumstances she thought they applied to, and more about who appropriately should make that interpretation if there is a difference of opinion.

Having a neurotic, meddling mother myself, I agree whole-heartedly with the common law position that, unless there is specific direction otherwise, that person is one's spouse (whom one chose, after all, unlike one's parents). Incidentally, while I have made that abundantly clear to all and sundry (including my T&E lawyer), I haven't signed the form yet, either. However, I'm less worried about my mother trying to keep me around for years so she can read me self-help books and style my hair badly while I turn into liquified goo than I am about an ugly confrontation over who is in charge. Which is, really, worse, since that hurts the conscious.

You are all on notice - unless I can by some means communicate "don't pull that plug muthafucker," I want you to pull the plug.

BR(after the organ harvesting, of course)C

Duly noted. Nobody so fashion conscious should have to endure bad hair. And I would request that if I marry, and then plan to divorce my hubby, who then takes up with another woman soon after I drop into a veggie state, that hubby not make the decision on what I would have wanted. We'll leave that to mummy who, if she desires to, can coo at me and baby me and wipe my butt for all eternity. With the LTL/FB clause of course: as long as there is no pain.

robustpuppy

03-21-2005 04:36 PM

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Duly noted. Nobody so fashion conscious should have to endure bad hair. And I would request that if I marry, and then plan to divorce my hubby, who then takes up with another woman soon after I drop into a veggie state, that hubby not make the decision on what I would have wanted. We'll leave that to mummy who, if she desires to, can coo at me and baby me and wipe my butt for all eternity. With the LTL/FB clause of course: as long as there is no pain.

It seems equally unlikely you would marry a man who would admit to wanting to take up with another woman and pull the plug on you soon after you drop into a coma, as that man would marry a woman who'd admit that she'd rather he wipe her butt for all eternity than go on with his life long after she became a vegetable. So maybe you should just give mum your advance directive with a provision that it shall be unaffected by your subsequent marriage. And don't let hubby be listed as a beneficiary on any life insurance policy. You wouldn't want to display too much trust.

Man, talk about a cold not-quite-dead hand ...

ltl/fb

03-21-2005 04:38 PM

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It seems equally unlikely you would marry a man who would admit to wanting to take up with another woman and pull the plug on you soon after you drop into a coma, or that a man would marry a woman who'd admit that she'd rather he wipe her butt for all eternity than go on with his life long after she became a vegetable. So maybe you should just give mum your advance directive with a provision that it shall be unaffected by your subsequent marriage. And don't let hubby be listed as a beneficiary on any life insurance policy. You wouldn't want to display too much trust.

Man, talk about a cold not-quite-dead hand ...

In the unlikely event that I am married when/if I fall into a vegetative state, I don't think I want my husband to be celibate after the first few months. Unless he wants to be.

However, I will not be putting this in my directive, because I think it would upset my family.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

03-21-2005 04:42 PM

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In the unlikely event that I am married when/if I fall into a vegetative state, I don't think I want my husband to be celibate after the first few months. Unless he wants to be.
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I hear Less is available, and a talented skull-fucker. Win-win.

viet_mom

03-21-2005 04:43 PM

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It seems equally unlikely ...that man would marry a woman who'd admit that she'd rather he wipe her butt for all eternity than go on with his life long after she became a vegetable.

Oh Dear. The butt wiping would be from Mum, not hubby. And not an expectation, but only if she wanted to. And of course I'd hope he'd go on with his life. I just also hope he'd let me go on with mine too.

viet_mom

03-21-2005 04:47 PM

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In the unlikely event that I am married when/if I fall into a vegetative state, I don't think I want my husband to be celibate after the first few months.

Well he'll be wanting it from somewhere and there is no WAY I am putting out while in a veggie state. I saw that movie Kill Bill. It's just not right.

ltl/fb

03-21-2005 04:48 PM

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I hear Less is available, and a talented skull-fucker. Win-win.

I don't think spinal fluid will provide much friction.

bilmore

03-21-2005 05:00 PM

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In the unlikely event that I am married when/if I fall into a vegetative state, I don't think I want my husband to be celibate after the first few months.

I'm not even stepping foot into a hospital anymore unless I'm sure the wife is in a darn good mood.

("And did he even bother to take out the garbage this morning? After I asked him to?! NO!! Unplug the jerk!")

ltl/fb

03-21-2005 05:00 PM

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I'm not even stepping foot into a hospital anymore unless I'm sure the wife is in a darn good mood.

("And did he even bother to take out the garbage this morning? After I asked him to?! NO!! Unplug the jerk!")

I thought you HAD the fucking form.

ltl/fb

03-21-2005 05:03 PM

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Well he'll be wanting it from somewhere and there is no WAY I am putting out while in a veggie state. I saw that movie Kill Bill. It's just not right.

I think I need a decision tree. Is he allowed to make decisions about you remaining in a persistent vegetative state for more than 15 years ONLY IF he does not "take up with" another woman? But if he does "take up with" another woman, your mom (who will, btw, presumably die long before you do, so you might want a backup here) is the one to make any decisions?

Does "take up with" encompass a one-night stand/prostitute or only some kind of relationship intended to be longstanding?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

03-21-2005 05:07 PM

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It seems equally unlikely you would marry a man who would admit to wanting to take up with another woman and pull the plug on you soon after you drop into a coma, as that man would marry a woman who'd admit that she'd rather he wipe her butt for all eternity than go on with his life long after she became a vegetable. So maybe you should just give mum your advance directive with a provision that it shall be unaffected by your subsequent marriage. And don't let hubby be listed as a beneficiary on any life insurance policy. You wouldn't want to display too much trust.

Man, talk about a cold not-quite-dead hand ...

Yeh, but what happens when the we-thought-she-was-a-vegetable wakes up and hubby's found a new schtup? How do you think Tom Hanks felt when he found his way back and Helen Hunt had "moved on"?

Make sure the insurance is in a trust for the benefit of the kids and that Hubby can't get any benefit unless he satisfies the trustee's moral compass.

bilmore

03-21-2005 05:10 PM

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Hubby can't get any benefit unless he "satisfies the trustee's moral compass".

You kids and your funny euphemisms!

robustpuppy

03-21-2005 05:17 PM

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Yeh, but what happens when the we-thought-she-was-a-vegetable wakes up and hubby's found a new schtup? How do you think Tom Hanks felt when he found his way back and Helen Hunt had "moved on"?

Ultimately relieved. Didn't he meet some hot artist? Helen Hunt is not appealing.

viet_mom

03-21-2005 05:36 PM

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Does "take up with" encompass a one-night stand/prostitute or only some kind of relationship intended to be longstanding?

I don't know. But I will be arranging for the decision makers to be: (1) Mom; and then (2) daughter. Whatever they do with me, they will do with me. ETA: but I will also have a living will. The decisions will be ones where the living will doesn't take into account.

ltl/fb

03-21-2005 05:39 PM

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I don't know. But I will be arranging for the decision makers to be: (1) Mom; and then (2) daughter. Whatever they do with me, they will do with me.

Even if you get married? Niiiice. I'm sure your mind won't be changing in the event you meet someone you want to share the rest of your life with.

bilmore

03-21-2005 05:56 PM

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Ultimately relieved. Didn't he meet some hot artist?

It was a volleyball. It wasn't all that hot. You should get out more.

viet_mom

03-21-2005 05:58 PM

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Even if you get married? Niiiice. I'm sure your mind won't be changing in the event you meet someone you want to share the rest of your life with.

I'm sure it will and I could amend the living will then. But although it is wrong, I admit to feeling more comfortable with direct family making these life decisions and for some reason have this hard-to-shake feeling that after a long hospitalization and the possibility that my spouse moved on, my parents or daughter might be better off as the guardians. Though not a veggie example, my Aunt died at 42 leaving two kids and a second husband (not the kids bio dad), and a will that gave everything to the hubby (with the presumption he would share with the kids). Everyone was shocked and upset at her death but 6 months later he was married to a lady who I noticed was eyeing him at the wake. The kids saw none of the money. Right or wrong, these things color my views.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

03-21-2005 05:59 PM

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Ultimately relieved. Didn't he meet some hot artist? Helen Hunt is not appealing.

She's sort of a poor-man's Jodi Foster, but she's got her strong points.

http://baldstars.fineststars.com/bal...0hunt%2002.jpg

viet_mom

03-21-2005 06:02 PM

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It was a volleyball. It wasn't all that hot. You should get out more.

What a terrible subplot that was. That movie could have been so good just on the whole survival technique thing.
http://www.kistenet.com/leahanne/images/castaway3.jpg

robustpuppy

03-21-2005 06:04 PM

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She's sort of a poor-man's Jodi Foster, but she's got her strong points.

3 vollyeballs would be hotter.

(Was she sick, or was that photoshopped by Hank's wife? I want to see that picture with paigow's wig.)

ltl/fb

03-21-2005 06:05 PM

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3 vollyeballs would be hotter.

Only if one was deflated and rolled up.

notcasesensitive

03-21-2005 06:10 PM

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I'm sure it will and I could amend the living will then. But although it is wrong, I admit to feeling more comfortable with direct family making these life decisions and for some reason have this hard-to-shake feeling that after a long hospitalization and the possibility that my spouse moved on, my parents or daughter might be better off as the guardians. Though not a veggie example, my Aunt died at 42 leaving two kids and a second husband (not the kids bio dad), and a will that gave everything to the hubby (with the presumption he would share with the kids). Everyone was shocked and upset at her death but 6 months later he was married to a lady who I noticed was eyeing him at the wake. The kids saw none of the money. Right or wrong, these things color my views.

Found: Someone more cynical about men than fringey. I've noted the date in the FB secretary's notes.

ltl, you're making me a bit misty with all this pie-in-the-sky optimism. Did Hank slip something in your drink?

Gattigap

03-21-2005 06:13 PM

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Found: Someone more cynical about men than fringey. I've noted the date in the FB secretary's notes.

ltl, you're making me a bit misty with all this pie-in-the-sky optimism. Did Hank slip something in your drink?

Never mistake for pie-in-the-sky optimism what can more easily be recognized as a rhetorical device handy for pummeling one's opponent in an argument.

ltl/fb

03-21-2005 06:22 PM

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Never mistake for pie-in-the-sky optimism what can more easily be recognized as a rhetorical device handy for pummeling one's opponent in an argument.

Marry me.

Everyone should be grateful I opted not to post witheringly about the disconnect between having an adopted child who one does trust, and not trusting a non-bio dad.

Hank Chinaski

03-21-2005 06:24 PM

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Marry me.

Everyone should be grateful I opted not to post witheringly about the disconnect between having an adopted child who one does trust, and not trusting a non-bio dad.

Settle a bet. Did you move out of the 'rents state, or did they move away from you?

Secret_Agent_Man

03-21-2005 06:25 PM

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Though not a veggie example, my Aunt died at 42 leaving two kids and a second husband (not the kids bio dad), and a will that gave everything to the hubby (with the presumption he would share with the kids). Everyone was shocked and upset at her death but 6 months later he was married to a lady who I noticed was eyeing him at the wake. The kids saw none of the money. Right or wrong, these things color my views.

Now THAT was damn poor estate planning. Shame.

Fortunately, the Schiavos hadn't got to the kids part yet.

S_A_M

notcasesensitive

03-21-2005 06:25 PM

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Could that be because you were in a good mood because of my pie post?

Now I want some pie.

Secret_Agent_Man

03-21-2005 06:30 PM

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Everyone should be grateful I opted not to post witheringly about the disconnect between having an adopted child who one does trust, and not trusting a non-bio dad.

You do have a talent for almost not saying the thinsg you should not say.

S_A_M

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

03-21-2005 06:41 PM

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Could that be because you were in a good mood because of my pie post?

Now I want some pie.

Luckily, this has been added to the menu:

http://www.friendlys.com/treats/menu...esh-sundae.gif

You can have some on your next break.

ltl/fb

03-21-2005 06:51 PM

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You do have a talent for almost not saying the thinsg you should not say.

S_A_M

I specified "witheringly." My comment was non-withering. Or, if deemed to be withering, not nearly as withering as the original post.

ncs, I did not notice the "pie" part of your post. Perhaps because you put the pie up in the sky, where I can see it but not touch it. Fucking bitch-tease.

Hank, I moved away from my parents. It's a family tradition. In fact, at one point I moved closer to my parents (within driving distance -- gasp!) but then moved much farther away again.

G3, I don't like ice cream on my pie, and I like my pie hot unless it's some type of mereignenenieoue pie that really can't be heated.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

03-21-2005 06:59 PM

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I specified "witheringly." My comment was non-withering. Or, if deemed to be withering, not nearly as withering as the original post.

ncs, I did not notice the "pie" part of your post. Perhaps because you put the pie up in the sky, where I can see it but not touch it. Fucking bitch-tease.

Hank, I moved away from my parents. It's a family tradition. In fact, at one point I moved closer to my parents (within driving distance -- gasp!) but then moved much farther away again.

G3, I don't like ice cream on my pie, and I like my pie hot unless it's some type of mereignenenieoue pie that really can't be heated.

That was ncs' pie - here is yours.

http://www.smsu.edu/activities/greek...eating%201.png

Enjoy.

ltl/fb

03-21-2005 07:02 PM

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That was ncs' pie - here is yours.

http://www.smsu.edu/activities/greek...eating%201.png

Enjoy.

She is neither fat nor particularly unattractive. Are you sure you used the picture you intended to?

I don't like other people's faces in my pie, either, but I would be willing to be in a pie-eating contest, esp if the pie were peach, as that one appears to be. And warm, but not too hot -- I don't want to burn my face. Mmmmm, pie.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

03-21-2005 07:22 PM

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She is neither fat nor particularly unattractive. Are you sure you used the picture you intended to?

I don't like other people's faces in my pie, either, but I would be willing to be in a pie-eating contest, esp if the pie were peach, as that one appears to be. And warm, but not too hot -- I don't want to burn my face. Mmmmm, pie.

Sometimes it's just about the pie.

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