Differing Concepts of Justice and Freedom
 

I'll take the bet, although I am not sure why you get odds. She is the frontrunner for the dimwit nomination and given the last two election cycles she should start off the race with at least 50M votes, which gives her about an even up shot.

We should put it writing though, because if she wins you will need some proof to show the executor of my will.

The are endowed by their creator with certain inalieable rights......
 

Y'know, spouting this load of crap on the same day that you advocated threatening the USSR with nuclear annihilation unless Stalin agreed to free elections makes you sound....

Well, like Penske without Photoshop.

Differing Concepts of Justice and Freedom
 

The thing is, I had to read that three times before I was sure you were joking.

Refresh my recollection, did Churchill argue for a harder line at Yalta and get shot down by the leftie or am I confusing that with a scene from one of the Hope-Crosby Road movies?

The are endowed by their creator with certain inalieable rights......
 

And the other 58,999,998 American Patriots are standing right behind us, ready to bring the bomb to bear on the oppressive infidels abroad.

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You muddy the waters.

You want this to be a battle between good and evil, between right and wrong. It's not that simple.

One system of thought holds that the greater good is served by serving the greatest number. Stalin embodied that.

Another holds that the greatest good is what serves ME. That was Saddam, among others.

A third holds that each individual is properly his own greatest value.

Until you can point me to a burning bush that screams out "Pick the third choice! Pick the third!", I'm left to believe, simply, that we all need to fight for what we value.

For me, and, I'm guessing, for you, that would be the right of each individual, even those ignorant brown peoples in funny foriegn countries, to have a say in their fate. I suspect that we both would cross a street to stop a bully beating up a child. We would reject objections of "that's all he knows", or "sure, you stop the beating now, but what do you have to replace it?" as meaningless drivel. But, that's not some higher law at work - that's just our own individual choice.

Thankfully, I'm guessing that the choices we make, and the values that we hold, make us more effective in this continuing battle than the people in the first group, and our numbers and resolve make us more effective than the people in the second group. Logically, I think we eventually win, because our philosophy is more conducive to life and happiness for all.

Might makes right, I guess, in a Randian sort of way.

Like Webster's Dictionary, we're Moroccan bound.
 

No, Sir Winston was the one who tried to cut a "sphere of influence" deal with Uncle Joe at Yalta, trading Poland for Greece.

Differing Concepts of Justice and Freedom
 

That's silly.

I might say "if you don't allow your subjects to take part in the decision-making, and continue to kill them in great numbers, we are going to depose you and your co-thugs, and then step back and let your subjects choose how they want life to be."

I can't believe that you think we're forcing Iraqis into something. We stopped the guy beating up the little kid. In doing so, we haven't forced the little kid into anything.

Was Allende a communist? I thought he was a socialist. He may have been a communist but he definitely did not run as a communist. Same with Chavez. I don't think Chavez ran as a communist. I know Putin did not run as a communist and he is not a communist. Wasn't Massadeq in Iran? And I don't think he ran as a communist either.

I know who you are referring to in central america in the 1950s but again I think that guy ran as a socialist.

Actually I think we had a few left, and we were definitely in massive production. May have take a few months. Didn't we leave Garrisons in Western Europe.

I agree with you on this. Sidd just asked me if we should have. I don't think it would have been politically reasible for the reaons you mention, but it would still have been the right move.

The are endowed by their creator with certain inalieable rights......
 

So what you are saying is I need to brush up on my photoshop.

Like Webster's Dictionary, we're Moroccan bound.
 

He had no choice at that point but to cut the best he could under the circumstances, he knew the senior partner in the Atlantic Coalition was mentally incapacitated. It doesnt' undercut his history of warning of the danger of trusting Stalin and his sadness and disgust at the sell out at the end of the war.

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About ten years ago, I used to think that way. But now I subscribe to the unversal moral code craziness. I was going to explain why, but realized that it would take a few pages and I am lazy. So as long as our interests line up what the hell..

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It's like the NYT Select. Only works for those who are already True Believers.

For Penske. Cuz I'm too lazy to PM and someone else might find municipal dog laws interesting and I'm still staying away from this place.

Differing Concepts of Justice and Freedom
 

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