LawTalkers - Waiting for Fitzgerald

Originally posted by Penske_Account
You have to ask Wonk, I don't know. He claimed it's in the Republican platform, and I doubt that this claim is true, but it is more of his campaign of lies and distortions to turn our attention away from the morally corrupt excesses of the bad elements of the left wing towards the petulant whining of the liberals about W.

Wonk is simply trying to get you to lay out specifically what it is you actually believe and examine it. I'm not sure why you are resisting my efforts so much.

Quit trying to hide the ball, Penske. Put up or shut up.

And for what it's worth, once we finish examining what you stand for, or determine that you stand for nothing and you simply like the attention, you or anyone else are free to ask me what I stand for and examine it in detail.

Penske_Account

10-07-2005 04:09 PM

BOARD POLL

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
can't he just make a recess appointment?

Yes: 0
No: 2
Other: 1

Penske_Account

10-07-2005 04:11 PM

Calling Penske Out

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Originally posted by taxwonk
Wonk is simply trying to get you to lay out specifically what it is you actually believe and examine it. I'm not sure why you are resisting my efforts so much.

Quit trying to hide the ball, Penske. Put up or shut up.

And for what it's worth, once we finish examining what you stand for, or determine that you stand for nothing and you simply like the attention, you or anyone else are free to ask me what I stand for and examine it in detail.

You asked me a question that was based on something that I doubt is true. I am asking you for a cite on the basis of your question.

SlaveNoMore

10-07-2005 04:13 PM

I guess Hans Blix was busy

OSLO, Norway (AP) - Mohamed El Baradei and the International Atomic Energy Agency that he heads won the 2005 Nobel Peace Prize on Friday for their efforts to stop the spread of nuclear weapons.

ElBaradei, a 63-year-old lawyer from Egypt, has led the U.N. nuclear agency as it grappled with the crisis in Iraq and the ongoing efforts to prevent North Korea and Iran from acquiring nuclear arms....

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In other news, a new penny, while shiny, is still worthless.

Penske_Account

10-07-2005 04:18 PM

I guess Hans Blix was busy

Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
OSLO, Norway (AP) - Mohamed El Baradei and the International Atomic Energy Agency that he heads won the 2005 Nobel Peace Prize on Friday for their efforts to stop the spread of nuclear weapons.

ElBaradei, a 63-year-old lawyer from Egypt, has led the U.N. nuclear agency as it grappled with the crisis in Iraq and the ongoing efforts to prevent North Korea and Iran from acquiring nuclear arms....

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In other news, a new penny, while shiny, is still worthless.

So the standard for winning is not-quite-complete-abject failure?

I guess that's a step up from the standard when Arafat won which was "mass murdering baby killer".

taxwonk

10-07-2005 04:20 PM

Calling Penske Out

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
WEll, it's his point, he can cite it. Until I see it, I ain't buying it.

From the GOP's :

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We strongly support President Bush’s call for a Constitutional amendment that
fully protects marriage, and we believe that neither federal nor state judges nor
bureaucrats should force states to recognize other living arrangements as equivalent to
marriage. We believe, and the social science confirms, that the well-being of children is
best accomplished in the environment of the home, nurtured by their mother and father
anchored by the bonds of marriage. We further believe that legal recognition and the
accompanying benefits afforded couples should be preserved for that unique and special
union of one man and one woman which has historically been called marriage.
After more than two centuries of American jurisprudence, and millennia of human
experience, a few judges and local authorities are presuming to change the most
fundamental institution of civilization, the union of a man and a woman in marriage.
Attempts to redefine marriage in a single state or city could have serious consequences
throughout the country, and anything less than a Constitutional amendment, passed by the
Congress and ratified by the states, is vulnerable to being overturned by activist judges.
On a matter of such importance, the voice of the people must be heard. The
Constitutional amendment process guarantees that the final decision will rest with the
American people and their elected representatives. President Bush will also vigorously
defend the Defense of Marriage Act, which was supported by both parties and passed by
85 votes in the Senate. This common sense law reaffirms the right of states not to
recognize same-sex marriages licensed in other states.

Hank Chinaski

10-07-2005 04:22 PM

I guess Hans Blix was busy

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
So the standard for winning is not-quite-complete-abject failure?

I guess that's a step up from the standard when Arafat won which was "mass murdering baby killer".

Maybe part of the oil for food bribes was a "Nobel Peace Prize to be named later?"

Hank Chinaski

10-07-2005 04:23 PM

Calling Penske Out

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Originally posted by taxwonk
From the GOP's :

DOMA? Clinton signed the DOMA- try agian.

Spanky

10-07-2005 04:24 PM

She will be confirmed

Miers will be confirmed.

If she is not W. will throw up someone the conservatives like even less. Someone with a known record they don't like.

Spanky

10-07-2005 04:26 PM

These Bozos Don't understand Bush...

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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Plus -- The base would like it, but talk about a nuclear war over a nominee!

S_A_M

I don't think Bush ever liked Ashcroft. I think he was happy to see him go.

taxwonk

10-07-2005 04:28 PM

Calling Penske Out

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
The problem here is the demographics are working against them (hispanics, hi Spanky!), the dim leadership has no values, or cultural and moral clarituy to offer the electorate, which essentially what the article is saying that they need to do and who they need to appeal to (families, people with religious values). Instead the dims want God out of the public square, mock the babyjesi and want a society of moral relativism (Wonk, you may not want me and my superior morals governing, but moral clarity plays to the electorate and its why the Rs win national elections).

I'm still waiting for you to show me any sense of moral clarity, Penske. You keep talking in circles on the specific moral points, and every time I point out that you havew contradicted yourself or that the Republican leadership has failed to follow your specific moral points, you try to blow smoke up my ass.

Answer the questions, Penske.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

10-07-2005 04:33 PM

BOARD POLL

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
can't he just make a recess appointment?

What good does that do anyone? It puts her there until the end of 2006. So you fight all spring 2007 over a nominee, with a new senate that might not be as favorable. By some time in 2007, the stalling really begins for the presidential election.

eta: I say she gets confirmed.

Replaced_Texan

10-07-2005 04:34 PM

Heh. From Divisadero:

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. . .This leads me to ask the question: What happened to the indomitable Republican spin machine?*

Possible Theories and Football Metaphors:

(1) Karl Rove is like Terrell Owens this season. The Administration doesn't have much time left and hasn't made the spin-master a suitable offer--i.e., grand emperor of the GOP with plenary power to summarily execute all dissidents (Joseph Wilson, John McCain, etc.). So, unitl they come through for him, he's gonna pout on the sidelines and let his team go to crap.

(2) Karl Rove is like Terrell Owens last season. For most of the season, he was hot shit and nobody could touch his spin-magic. Unnecessary wars and nonexistant weapons of mass destruction became democratization projects for American security. Then, suddenly, just like TO was taken out by Roy Williams, Rove has been taken out by the Valerie Plame investigation.

(3) The Republicans are like the New England Patriots. They've both had their day in the sun (3 Super Bowls in 4 years/successful elections in 2000, 2002, and 2004), got too big headed (too many obnoxious commercials/tried to foist far-right legislation/foreign policy on a politically moderate populace), and have been figured out by their opponents (2-2 this season/Donkeys getting media-savvy?). The media, once the proud proponents of these never-do-wrong patriot-darlings, has since grown tired of them.

(4) We've been living in the Bizarro World of Politics much like the Bizarro World of the NFL from 1999- 2005. During this period, black was white and white was black. Kurt Warner was the best quarterback in the league, Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson won Super Bowls, and historically shitty teams like the Bucs, Patriots, Rams, and Ravens (/Browns) ruled the league. Perhaps that period is at an end and reality is back.

taxwonk

10-07-2005 04:48 PM

Calling Penske Out

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Why would you not think perjury is wrong? Why can't the left admit its wrong? Is perjury legal in IL?

I said I think perjury is wrong. Now, why won't you answer my question?

taxwonk

10-07-2005 04:48 PM

Calling Penske Out

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
I believe intelligent design is a powerful force.

Once again, why won't you answer the question?