If it's not full disclosure, where's the ethical lapse?

I have read enough to know that you seem to have perversely accepted Hank as your leader.

He will never be my leader. WHY???? Because I utterly despise his politics of stupidity, besides which I find him to be an obnoxious poster, going back to his days as bluetriangle and juan the marine when he was a shill for plated's regime.

Wait, before we get into this, how do you define "sex?"

he who comes into equity must come with clean hands. felt was a criminal and now he is cashing in on actions built on a foundation of criminality. there is no left or right or right or wrong here, this the worst of the politics of corruption. nixon's legacy lives.

I hope everyone here is as impressed as I am by your attempt to argue that Felt's midnight rendezvousssess with W&B provided sufficient information to constitute an ethical lapse, but were inadequate to rise to the level required for an excuse for that lapse. As noted by RT, there weren't a lot of people he could have reported this to at the time. I look forward to your fleshing out this argument. You may begin.

news conference. 60 minutes interview with dan rather. any of the democratic leadership of the house or senate. open your eyes fool, he was a toady of hoover and up to his pompadoured head in corruption and lies-going public ensured one thing, the nixonians would bring him to task for the crimes of hoover. breaching his office and getting sucked off by woodward, a well-known cia informant, in a garage doesn't make him righteous.

the only good thing that could come out of this is that maybe he will inspire some scumbag bushie neocon traitor to release info about w's crimes.

I think you got it backwards with Woodward. Follow the nickname.

Read the flowchart. You trying to say he was cool with his breach BECAUSE he had a duty to disclose. I'm saying if so he should have disclosed. ain't no other loop there.

IF

You work in government and are exposed to secret information

THEN

Do not disclose

UNLESS

crimes being committed

THEN

disclose

QED

Are you available to do compliance training any time in the next few months?

If "compliance training" means what I think it means- then yes!

How did he not "disclose"? How do YOU define "sex"? His "disclosure" was anonymous, but was it legally required that he shout it publicly from the rooftops, or that he, like your good friend chickmagnet suggests, appear before Congress or Dan Rather?


Check.

Check. Check. Double check.

Check.

Thoughts on the No Vote?
 

It is my understanding that the British Business community wanted to join the Euro, but they just did not have the clout. The instability of the currency is really more of a focus of the press. A single currency is better than a weak currency. When making business decisions, the business community hates uncertainty more than anything. When you are making long term investment plans every extra variable is a nightmare. If Lloyds makes a twenty percent return on its money in France, but the Pound devalues twenty five percent against the Euro they lose money. If Lloyds makes a twenty percent loss in its French subsidiary, and the Euro loses twenty five percent against the pound Lloyd ends up making money. That may not sound like a problem, but an unforseen profit is much harder to take advantage off than a forseen profit. At least with a weak currency you can predict what is going to happen and make sound business decisions based on it. That does not even factor in the loss of money over currency exchangtes. In politics persistence is everything. Political issues go in and out of importance, and passions on these issues wax and wain. But the international business community wants as few currencies as possible. They will keep pushing forever until it happens. None of the European population really wanted the Euro but it happened anyway becaue of the consistent business pressure. Actually, Europeans have never really cared much for the EU. It is really the business community that keeps pushing it. Eventually they will win because they will never quit and time is on their side.

felt is a vindictive, bitter, spitefilled man, and, ironically, those very qualities inspired him to destroy another vindictive, bitter, spitefilled man.

win-win in a way.

woodward is cia-what do you think he was doing in casey's deathbed?

Hmmm. Good point. Even Harry Peterson (I think that was his name), the career DOJ person running the Criminal Division at the time, was tricked/bullied by Nixon into giving him info about what the grand jury was learning regarding Haldeman and Ehrilichman.

Archibald Cox is one who comes to mind. But I don't think that he had been appointed at the time of the first meetings between Woodward and Deep Throat.

I agree with Tyrone. I think it was just sour grapes. Anyone that could be Hoover's number two man could not be all that concerned about the integrity of the institution. He got passed up for the top job and bit back.

I don't know what he told W&B but in the movies he gave hints not disclosure. And why not go to Congress or the press- your excuse for him was he was compelled to disclose- but he didn't really. And I suggested going to congress or the press not the new SS sock.

Yes, that's my point - I'm pretty sure there was no special prosecutor yet. And L. Patrick Gray, Felt's boss, was shredding documents at the order of the WH. And Dan Rather was embedded in Vietnam.

And hence no ethical lapse.*

My bad. Mad props to you.

* I wish to note for the record, at 1:36 GMT on June 2, 2005, Hank Chinaski cited, in support of an argument he was making, to Robert Redford and Dustin Hoffman.

I'm not sure if your thinking this way means I should want you to be my lawyer, or not. I do know it means it is quite likely you won't maintain your license to practice for very long.

Do law enforcement types have the same ethical duties we do? I think everyone would agree that if he had turned out to be a prosecutor and some bar association decided to disbar him for his involvement, it'd be totally proper.

I agree with this. I question the - for lack of a better word - the degree of confidentiality to be assigned to work undertaken on behalf of the Committee to Reelect the President to begin with, and the scope of the confidentiality owed by a Justice Dept. official to that committee.

Before we even get to the defense of disclosure of illegal activity.

I'll also admit I was having some fun with Hank.

get a room next time and spare us.

Hey, this kind of lewd post belongs on the FB. Stick to politics here, please.

Who are you again?

Don't worry though -- soon there'll be more good news from Iraq.
 

• On May 10, Raja Nawaf Farhan al-Mahalawi, the newly appointed governor of Iraq's Anbar province, was kidnapped by insurgents. Five days later, according to news reports, he was freed. But today, more than two weeks after he was freed, he was "found dead along with his militant captors after a clash with U.S. forces."
  
  Notice anything unusual in this chain of events? You do? No one in the media did. Not one report that I've seen of al-Mahalawi's death mentions that, according to the Iraqi government, he had been freed by his captors 16 days previously. I wonder why. Why was't one editor brave enough to print the following, "Raja Nawaf al-Mahalawi, the governor of Iraq's Anbar province, was killed along with his kidnappers 16 days after they had released him." After all, if you're going to print statements of U.S. and Iraqi officials as legitimate news--that is, if you're going to print absurdities--why try to hide them?
  
  An examination of what else was happening in Iraq on May 15 explains the mystery. That was the day of Condoleezza Rice's surprise one-day visit. Evidently, it was too embarrassing for Iraq's putative leaders to have to meet with their boss while the governor of Iraq's largest province was being held by the insurgents. So they "freed" him. Simple as that. Reality? It's no longer a limitation.

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Now, about all those new schools . . . .

I'm dying?

Don't worry though -- soon there'll be more good news from Iraq.
 

So they concoct an easily disproved story about some guy I've never even given a thought to so they can have a good news story when Rice is in Iraq? Do you even think about how absurd your conspiracy theories get? In your professional life are you this uncaring about your credibiltiy?

Isn't the continuing installation of a government elected by the people a bit better story- I mean that partt is true right?

You mean the poster with the sexist fuck moniker?

Don't worry though -- soon there'll be more good news from Iraq.
 

It wasn't that easily disproved -- it took a tank and a bunch of troops to shoot up the house where it turned out the guy was being held, although they didn't know that at the time.

How absurd is it to suggest that the Iraqi government made shit up and released it to the media, knowing that journalists aren't exactly combing the streets of the country to do investigative journalism? It's dangerous enough by the hotel pool. Not a gig I would want.

In the professional context, if I'm going to say that two published accounts contradict each other, I'll want to see them first. Here, I'm willing to see only one of them, and a blog refering to the other story. If you want to pay me my hourly rate to research my posts here, I'd be happy to do more research. But I can't even get you to pay for Preferred Subscriber status on my blog, with all of the free pictures of "Japanese manhole covers" (IYKWIM) that would come with.

Have they not moved into their offices yet? Is there a safety problem, or are they just waiting for the interior designers to finish?

I've forgotten already. Clearly not important.

Don't worry though -- soon there'll be more good news from Iraq.
 

They were going to decorate with antiquities from the Baghdad museum but they all got stolen:( :(

Don't worry though -- soon there'll be more good news from Iraq.
 

I lived in Japan for almost three years and I don't remember noticing any manhole covers. I guess I need to smell the roses more.

Don't worry though -- soon there'll be more good news from Iraq.
 

I remember them, and look with renewed fondness on Ty for his thoughtful post.

Don't worry though -- soon there'll be more good news from Iraq.
 

Incidentally, here are your freeper pals passing along the story that the governor had been freed:

• Gunmen freed the kidnapped governor of Iraq’s western Anbar province today after US troops ended a week-long offensive in the region, relatives and a government official said. “He was released and he is currently in the (village) of Obeidi,” Governor Raja Nawaf Farhan al-Mahalawi’s cousin, Safi Jalal, said. “People celebrated by firing shots in the air.” Al-Mahalawi was seized on Tuesday as he drove from the Syrian border town of Qaim to the provincial capital of Ramadi. The governor’s kidnappers told the family he would be released when US troops withdrew from Qaim. They also offered to exchange the governor for three followers of Iraq’s most wanted terrorists, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who they said were seized in the US offensive, according to the family. Ahmed Hadi, an official at Iraq’s Ministry of Provincial Affairs, confirmed al-Mahalawi was released in the early hours of this morning, but declined to provide any details of how this happened. The governor’s cousin said he was released without conditions. The US military declared its week-long offensive over yesterday, saying it had cleared an insurgent haven near the Syrian border and killed about 125 militants.

See also Reuters.

Today, Reuters reported:

• The governor of Iraq's biggest province, who was kidnapped earlier this month, has been found dead along with his militant captors after a clash with U.S. forces, a government spokesman said on Tuesday.
  
  Laith Kubba told a news conference the body of Anbar governor Raja Nawaf was found tied to a gas canister in a house near the town of Rawa two days ago.
  
  He was discovered after U.S. forces conducted a routine sweep through a neighborhood and met fierce resistance from insurgents in the house.
  
  The authorities do not know how Nawaf died but it was likely that concrete fell on him after the clashes triggered explosives in the house, Kubba said.

Funny, that.

Hank just likes the way a fence feels when it's nestling in his butt-crack.

Undoubtedly. But despite his shitty motives, what he did benefitted the country.

The argument that he should have "disclosed" is naive at best. First, disclose to whom? What prosecutor would have done anything about this? Hank suggests that he should've disclosed to 60 Minutes -- but 60 Minutes isn't a prosecutor, and he disclosed to a news organization.

We all know, or should know, what would've happened if the disclosure had been public. The Admin would have immediately gone into full destruction mode -- destruction of evidence, and destruction of character. They would've smeared him as a sour-grapes purveyor of falsehoods, and possibly worse, and by doing this they would've drawn public attention away from the facts of the crime committed and towards the allegations about the accuser. As Hoover's former No. 2, he knew this better than anyone.

Kinda like the way that everyone pursuing their own selfish interests in the free market often produces the optimum allocation of resources.

OK, maybe only a bit like that.

Look, let's stop projecting yesterday's events to today's media and political culture.

What Deep Throat did, and when he did it, should be viewed within the prism of its time. It was during a war, with soaring gasoline prices, and the nation had a president that some people felt wasn't being entirely candid with the American people. It was a totally different era, people, and temptations to compare the two are naive.*
















* Concept (c) TDS.

It was interesting to hear the (unerased) tapes of Haldeman and Nixon speculating it was Felt, but that he would go public with everything if they tried to out him. Classic prisoner's dilemma, at least of a sort.

It's an interesting question whether, at any given point, there was already enough evidence that it would have hastened the fall or if it could have cut off the investigation. I suspect that by the time Nixon and others knew it was Felt, there was already enough info that the die was cast.