Where's the cutting edge science being done?
 

Not here.

South Korean scientists announce they have made stem cell lines specific for individuals.

Meanwhile, in this country, Bush threatens veto of stem cell research bill.

It's all about the sanctity of [non-preexisting] life.

I wasn't sure where this was going, but I must admit that the consistency of the punch line gave me some degree of comfort.

Avoiding God's Thunderbolt
 

Hmmm. This account will provide more of a challenge for Scott to spin. Perhaps a call to Ari is in order -- sure, quoting from a 2000 page Army report that details soldier beating prisoners to death is a significant hurdle to clear, but that man could take this story and in five minutes have us believing that this reporter, Mr. Golden, was really an Al Quaeda sympathizer.

Sorry, Flinty, nothing personal
 

at this point, given your history, its hard to believe its possible, but this further illustrates the depth of your ignorance.

Sorry, Flinty, nothing personal
 

Another win for you, Hank! To which I say, Bravo, Sir, bra-vo.

Where's the cutting edge science being done?
 

Wasn't Clinton against cloning? or is it good because its SCIENCE?

Where's the cutting edge science being done?
 

Nice, nice change of topic. From stem-cell research to cloning slave babies and selling them for meat.

Where's the cutting edge science being done?
 

you great twit.
Can you read any further than a title? all the world is not a donut rack- see second item from the UK and what was done in south Korea is a step towrds cloning. injecting genetic material into an embryo is how one does clone.

Sorry, Flinty, nothing personal
 

All else equal, would you prefer that your kids attended a school where the biology classes teach intelligent design, or one where they teach evolution?

Sorry, Flinty, nothing personal
 

Ten bucks says there is no way Hank answers this question.

Note: Screed about how none of us know anything because we haven't personally examined the fossil records and we weren't alive in the days of the apes anyway does not count. "Answer" means picking one or the other of the two options Ty provides.

Where's the cutting edge science being done?
 

Hank, you are getting dangerously close to the incantation that would call forth the evil spirit NotMe. Cut it out.

Sorry, Flinty, nothing personal
 

I don't work for you. Limits your orders to Ty or whoever.

and Ty, you know the answer to that question. but I was never prouder than during this election when my daughter told me she argued with one of her teachers who was voicing as fact a political position. the sheep like class bought the position and she called bullshit.

I remember 1oth grade Hank asking my bio teacher "Wait how do they explain bloodvessals and organ systems in evolution?" And I'm proud of myself for that.

And evolution has been proven Sidd you dimwit. They found fucking mamouths frozen carcasses and shit. I never said evolution wasn't right.

Sorry, Flinty, nothing personal
 

quick question: Either class have a young teacher with big bazoombas?

Where's the cutting edge science being done?
 

Wait, I thought people were using Cambodian midget wrestlers for meat ...

Where's the cutting edge science being done?
 

Science is neither good nor bad. It just is. Society makes those judgements. Hopefully, it does so based on sober reflection after obtaining a complete understanding of the facts, but in the US of fuckin' A it's more like it's done either the morning after a wild night of insane partying, or right after the church service is completed and the snakes are back in their boxes.

Sorry, Flinty, nothing personal
 

I win ten bucks.


And Hank, you get less and less comprehensible with each post, particularly on this subject.

The best thing about hosting a fundraiser, is no matter what you say the politicians have to be polite to you and pretend they at least sympathize with whatever you are saying. No matter how ludicrous. In otherwords you have a captive audicence that is really worried about angering you.

Sorry, Flinty, nothing personal
 

It's hard to be coherent when you are balanced on your crotch, straddling a fence.

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No you lost. I picked the class where they teach evolution- did you notice the part of my post where I explained evolution was proven?

My whole point forever has been that your position of assuming people who believe otherwise are idiots- read careful here Sidd- since they support their position solely on faith in something that can't be understood makes you an idiot because you take your position solely on faith in something you don't understand. they have faith in God, you have faith in science- you both might want to be quieter bacuase you both simply speak of what you can't/don't know.

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Loath as I am to wade into this debate, for I am sure it would be a timesink of woolly mammoth proportions, my curiousity nonetheless compels me to ask -- Hank, was the word "symbiosis" never mentioned in your 10th grade presence? Because if it wasn't your teacher was mailin' it in, baby.

As it was 10th grade, I think we all agree that the absence of discussion of "endosymbiont" can surely be excused.

Well, that settles it then. Long as we're all clear.

Edited to be less snarky sounding.

So you're saying there was still money to come in after the event?

Sorry, Flinty, nothing personal
 

As long as I keep having faith in the sun coming up in the morning...

Hank, tell us again why gay marriage leads to polygamy? Please! Please!

I don't understand the questions. To state the obvious, politicians never run out of the need for money and never want to lose a source of money.

Sorry, Flinty, nothing personal
 

2 quick questions:

Do you really think my 10th grade teacher, who had belittled the born-again fat girl's beliefs, had heard of the theory?

Do you really think Sidd, who had belittled the born-agians beliefs, had heard of the theory?

NeoCon = Trotskyite
 

Anyone heard of this guy? Check out his thesis:

American Totalitarian (Democratic AIPAC Republican Neoconservative) Party Agenda: Iran War and Totalitarian Control of America

Professor Paul Sheldon Foote

California State University, Fullerton

pfoote@fullerton.edu

May 19, 2005

AIPAC Policy Conference 2005

From May 22 to 24, 2005, there will be 4,000 American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) activists attending Policy Conference 2005 at the Washington Convention Center. While two premier kosher caterers serve meals and snacks, the activists will consume also large quantities of pro-war lies from the totalitarians and preachers of hate:


Prime Minister Ariel Sharon

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist
(R-TN)

Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid (D-NV)

Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert (R-IL)

House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY)
Rep. Jane Harman, Ranking Member, House Select Intelligence Committee (D-CA)

Israel, Minister of Justice Tzipi Livni

Israel, Minister of Interior Ofir Pines-Paz

Israel, Minister of Jerusalem Affairs Natan Sharansky

Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean

Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman


Forums will include:

§ The Day After the Bomb: How a Nuclear Iran Would Change the World

§ Israeli Politics Today: A Discussion With Key Knesset Members

§ Terror in the USA: How Vulnerable Are We and What Are We Doing About It?

§ Profs and Propaganda: Israel in the Academic Arena

§ From Martyrdom to Moderation: The Struggle Within Islam

§ Disengagement and Beyond: The Israeli-Palestinian Peace Process

§ Winds of Change: Understanding the Middle East's Shifting Strategic Picture

§ Battle of the Blues and Reds: Changes Within the Parties and Their Impact On American Foreign Policy

§ Approaching Statehood: Are the Palestinians Really Ready?

§ Pressure Point: Where is Syria Headed?

http://www.aipac.org/AIPAC-pc2005.html

George Orwell’s Warning of Two Paths to Slavery
In 1944, George Orwell warned about the two paths to slavery. America’s neoconservatives (neo-Trotskyites) understand George Orwell’s warning:
“Review:
The Road to Serfdom by F.A. Hayek The Mirror of the Past by K. Zilliacus

Taken together, these two books give grounds for dismay. The first of them is an eloquent defence of laissez-faire capitalism, the other is an even more vehement denunciation of it. They cover to some extent the same ground, they frequently quote the same authorities, and they even start out with the same premise, since each of them assumes that Western civilization depends on the sanctity of the individual. Yet each writer is convinced that the other's policy leads directly to slavery, and the alarming thing is that they may both be right....

Between them these two books sum up our present predicament. Capitalism leads to dole queues, the scramble for markets, and war. Collectivism leads to concentration camps, leader worship, and war. There is no way out of this unless a planned economy can somehow be combined with the freedom of the intellect, which can only happen if the concept of right and wrong is restored to politics.

Both of these writers are aware of this, more or less; but since they can show no practicable way of bringing it about the combined effect of their books is a depressing one.

Observer, 9 April 1944”

http://www.resort.com/~prime8/Orwell/twobooks.html

During the Spanish Civil War, George Orwell, a journalist and book author, went to Spain to fight by serving with the United Workers Marxist Party militia. The experience changed his life and writings. Rejecting communism after observing struggles in Spain between Stalinists and Trotskyists, he returned to England as a democratic socialist (in general terms, but suspicious of all forms of government) and wrote books and essays warning of the dangers of totalitarianism, such as: 1984 and Animal Farm. Available for free online, these books are important to anyone along the political spectrum who opposes totalitarianism.

Homage to Catalonia is filled with "truth is the first casualty of war" stories veterans of any war will understand. If millions of duped Americans read this book, chickenhawks will not remain in power. Orwell read newspaper stories of battles that he knew personally never happened. Likewise, no newspapers reported some major battles in which he fought. By serving as a soldier, Orwell learned the ability of the media to manipulate dupes. Soldiers fighting for competing totalitarian powers have killed each other based upon the lies their totalitarian leaders and media told them. George Orwell’s 1984 is the story of how one individual tries to learn the truth in a world in which three totalitarian powers have divided much of the world. While George Orwell wrote 1984 in 1949, each passing year reveals how accurate his forecasts have been. The main difference between George Orwell’s forecasts and the totalitarian practices of today is that the totalitarians are still able to use subtler techniques to manipulate the masses in the world. With millions of dupes in a country, there is no need for totalitarians to make extensive use of the more brutal control techniques.

While George Orwell knew from his personal experiences of the communist path to slavery, he did not know from personal experience how capitalism could become a path to slavery. Writings about Hayekian Socialism contain some warnings about how totalitarians can take people into slavery from capitalist societies. When you hear or read about Republicans advocating big governments, you should understand that America is in big trouble.

Iran Freedom Support Act


The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) is lobbying for the passage of the Iran Freedom Support Act.

This act proposes the appropriation of $10 million to the Department of State to support a transition to “democracy” (totalitarian speak for communism) in Iran. Congress member Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (Republican—Florida) introduced H.R. 282 on January 6, 2005. On January 15, 2003, supporters of a Marxist terrorist organization (MEK, MKO, NCRI, PMOI, or Rajavi cult) placed a full-page advertisement in the New York Times thanking six of the 150 members of Congress who signed statements of support for the Marxist terrorist organization (as designated by the United States Department of State since the administration of President Bill Clinton). Ros-Lehtinen, who came to America from Havana, Cuba at age seven, one of the six members of Congress named in the New York Times advertisement, would like American dupes to believe that she is anti-Communist because she is anti-Fidel Castro. In fact, she and many other neoconservatives (neo-Trotskyites) are attempting to impose a Marxist regime in Iran in the name of democracy. In 1959, Fidel Castro came to power in Cuba because of the lies of the New York Times and of many others in the American media and in politics. Castro’s supporters claimed that he was the “George Washington of Cuba”, not a Communist. By 1962, Castro had not only declared that he is a Communist but hoped to establish world Communism after a missile war between America and the Soviet Union. Today, Ros-Lehtinen is attempting to repeat the duping of Americans. Americans who read Anne Singleton’s Saddam's Private Army and the other books about the Rajavi cult listed at Iran-Interlink will not be duped by the neoconservatives (neo-Trotskyites) who have betrayed America. Iran Didban posts detailed information about the Rajavi cult in English, French, Persian (Farsi), and in Arabic.

Sorry, Flinty, nothing personal
 

Evolution is proven because it is/was/always has been testable.

The existence and actions of an omnipotent God, be it Hairy Thunderer or Cosmic Muffin, which is at the core of creationism/ID, are not.

Evolution belongs in the science classroom. Creationism/ID does not. If someone wants to spend a whole semester on creationism/ID, I say Bully for em - so long as it's in the religion classroom, where it belongs.

Sorry, Flinty, nothing personal
 

Exactly. A guy like you should just accept shit and not try and think.

Sorry, Flinty, nothing personal
 

Not sure. But if they hadn't they should have. See my edited, reduced-snark post.

Well, Sidd? "Endosymbiosis" mean anything to you?

Sorry, Flinty, nothing personal
 

Parts- like Darwin's part yes. Mamouths became elephants.

But primordial ooze becomes cells becomes multi cells etc. you're only guessing to explain that which you want to believe- and that's cool- but just don't insult those who believe in some other guess.

Sorry, Flinty, nothing personal
 

Is faith exempt from being belittled? Have you ever belittled those who believe in Islam, for example?

Please, hold those of us who have sincere faith to the same degree of rigor that you would apply in your daily life. Ask that we take as much care with our logic and thinking about matters of faith as you do in writing a legal memorandum. I ask respect for faith, but that does not mean that faith should not be thought through, challenged, and tested.

Sorry, Flinty, nothing personal
 

by now he has googled it- but I'm pretty sure if I quizzed him on details he'd flunk-

Where's the cutting edge science being done?
 

Well, I certainly made quite the impression on you. No time to post these days, just occasionally read.

Sorry, Flinty, nothing personal
 

Let's ask bilmore about it. I think he was around for the Pre-Cambrian Explosian.

Sorry, Flinty, nothing personal
 

I'm sorry, I missed that part. Where in your post do you say "I want my kid in the school where they teach evolution"? It ain't there, hankypoo, no matter what "thoughts" were wending their way through that dark forest you call a brain.


Hank, you've gone back and forth on that one about 5000 times. And if anyone else says evolution is proven, you rant and rave.

And no, I didn't notice that. I only noticed some half-witticism about a frozen mammoth.



Hankypoo, your point is hardly revolutionary, and not all that tough to understand -- why do you assume that no one understands it? But I've never said people who have faith are "stupid" -- that's your pastiche view of all liberals speaking to you (I know, sometimes it's hard to distinguish among the voices in your head. This is the one that's not telling you that Hillary helped Saddam hide all the WMDs.) My most negative opinions on this subject are reserved for the people who take faith and dress it up as science -- the "creation science" types, who purport to look at fossils and determine that they date from the Noahnic flood.... That's a little different than saying that anyone who believes in the Bible is an idiot. Not that I expect you to get the difference, but anyway.

But, tell you what -- from now on, I'll note that I understand Hank's point about the creationism/evolution debate in every post. Will that make you feel better?

However, if you truly believe that evolution is proven, then you are not taking it on faith. Proof and faith are two different things. Unless your point is that you are really the only person on this board smart enough and knowledgeable enough to know. In which case, forgive me, but the laughter pains are killing me.




[note to Hank]I know you just want everyone to know that they shouldn't dismiss people who believe in creationism as mere idiots because when they accept Darwinism they are doing it on faith because no one, other than you I guess, is really smart enough to understand the science of evolution.[/note to Hank]

Sorry, Flinty, nothing personal
 

Absolutely. Haven't paid any attention to biology since 10th grade.

Hear that everyone???? HANK WINS!!!! HANK IS SMARTER THAN ME!!!!! HANK CAN DISCUSS ENDOSYMBIOSIS!!!!!!


Gosh, I'm sure he will just be glowing with pride.


Now, Hank, can you define "pathetic"? Oh, wait -- I'll just go back and read your post belittling me for not being able to discuss endosymbiosis.



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[note to Hank]I know you just want everyone to know that they shouldn't dismiss people who believe in creationism as mere idiots because when they accept Darwinism they are doing it on faith because no one, other than you I guess, is really smart enough to understand the science of evolution.[/note to Hank]

Gotta make sure he knows this, otherwise we'll have to read it all over again.

Sorry, Flinty, nothing personal
 

using the fake html tags effect is effeminate

Where's the cutting edge science being done?
 

If you only have two posts since '03, I think I may be referring to someone else.

And if you ARE NotMe -- could you bring back the avatar? Please?


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http://205.214.94.186/forums/avatar....ine=1080103897

-- T.S.

Where's the cutting edge science being done?
 

Better?

BTW - who is the new guy?

Where's the cutting edge science being done?
 

This guy on the Fashion board, I'm not sure but I think he went to Yale... anyway, he introduced us to his friend Arnold Schwarzenneger. He's a Republican, but he doesn't seem to like what most Republicans think.

If that's really you, i.e., Not Me, I hope you and the baby are doing well.

Where's the cutting edge science being done?
 

Besides, cloning would solve all of our army recruitment problems.