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sgtclub 10-27-2005 11:15 PM

I have here in my hand a list of 242 card-carrying members . . .
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Spanky or maybe Ty@50
I can confirm that Spanky is not a Penske sock, although they do look quite similar, minus the kilt.

Gattigap 10-28-2005 10:50 AM

Clement Moore aint got nothing on me
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
'Twas the Night before Fitzmas
And that noise that you hear
Is the harping of liberals
As Karl's in the clear

It seems only Libby will hang
And take all of the blame
For some nonexistant crime
Re Wilson. And Plame.

But law must prevail!
And perjury ain't right
So Merry Fitzmas to all
To all and good night
When Slave is inspired to verse, you know it's a good story. Mike Kinsley agrees.
  • Confused? Sure. Who isn't? One entertaining aspect of the story that is expected to reach some sort of climax today is the struggle of the media to summarize or label it. Once upon a time someone went to Niger, which is not Nigeria, and off we go in time and space. Even Fox News has been driven to compound sentences.

    All the glam elements are there: a secret agent, international intrigue, sex if you know where to look, blogs, moral dilemmas, movie-of-the-week dialogue at the White House. (Aide: "Mr. President, somebody has inserted a lie into your State of the Union address!" The President: "This is clearly the work of al Qaeda. We must invade Iraq immediately. Or is it Iran?") But somehow all these elements don't cohere. Alfred Hitchcock coined the term "McGuffin" to describe the gimmick that keeps the plot moving. He said you need one. The trouble here is not the lack of a McGuffin but a surplus of them.

    You can't knock the names, though. Above all, there is the wonderfully Pynchonesque Valerie Plame. And yet the eponymous heroine of the affair has actually been offstage the entire time. Except for a brief appearance in Vanity Fair, posed rakishly with her husband in a sports car, it's been "Hamlet" without the Prince of Denmark.

    The husband's name is forgettably bland. Joe Wilson? Then there is the aide to the vice president who answers to the call of "Snooker." Or is it Smoky? Or maybe Sunshine? In the typical movie about Washington, a character labeled as an aide to the vice president might just as well carry a sign saying, "I get killed off in the first five minutes." And yet Skipper, or Snappy, starts out as an obscure minor character and floats up steadily to the point where he is the central figure of the entire drama.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-28-2005 12:24 PM

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/42136
 
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/42136

sfw.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-28-2005 12:25 PM

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/42136
 
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/42136

sfw (unless the filter reacts to the word "shit").

taxwonk 10-28-2005 12:37 PM

I have here in my hand a list of 242 card-carrying members . . .
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Not at all my dear Mr. Pernske, they lack moral clarity and any recognition of the UMC. Ignorance is bliss.
Having a dialogue with yourself seems a lot less pathetic when you use socks. WTTW.

taxwonk 10-28-2005 12:44 PM

I have here in my hand a list of 242 card-carrying members . . .
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Yes he does need a friend. Problem is that all the dems here aren't apparently eligible. Penske wants to talk to a friend who will tell him if he's behaving badly. he sees all you guys justifying Klan membership/ beach rape/ abuse of office rape/ drowning on the way to rape scene/etc., and he thinks:
  • can i really expect them to tell me I'm wrong?

Can you see his predicament?
I'm afraid I don't really see your point. I haven't done any of those things. I spent a couple of days trying to talk him down from his manic rant and all it seemed to do was to exacerbate the situation.

If you really cared for him you would stage some sort of intervention, but instead you encourage his insanity. Is it because he serves your political agenda, or is it just for your own cruel pleasure because he amuses you and is so easily manipulated?

taxwonk 10-28-2005 12:46 PM

And Slave aint got nothing on me
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
'Twas the Night before Fitzmas
And that noise that you hear
Is the harping of liberals
As Karl's in the clear

It seems only Libby will hang
And take all of the blame
For some nonexistant crime
Re Wilson. And Plame.

But law must prevail!
And perjury ain't right
So Merry Fitzmas to all
To all and good night
Twas the night before Fitzmas, and in the White House
> Every one was scared shitless, and Bush was quite soused
> The indictments were hanging like Damoceles' sword
> As verminous oxen prepared to be gored
>
> The perps were all sleepless, curled fetal in bed
> While visions of prison cells loomed in each head
> And Dick in his jammies, and George in his lap
> Were sweating and swearing and looking like crap
>
> When out on the web there arose such a clatter
> The blogs and the forums were buzzing with chatter
> Away to the PC Rove ran like a flash
> He booted his browser and cleared out his cache
>
> The rumors that flew through the cold autumn air
> Made Dubya shiver with angry despair
> When what to his horror-filled eyes did he spy?
> A bespectacled man with a brown suit and tie!
>
> With an impartial manner that gave Bush the sh*ts
> He knew in a moment it must be St. Fitz!
> With unwavering voice, his indictments they came
> He cleared out his throat and he called them by name:
>
> Now Scooter, Now Libby,
> Now Blossoming Turd,
> Now Cheney, dear Cheney,
> Yes, you are the third
> To the bench of the court
> Up the steps, down the hall
> Now come along, come along,
> Come along, one and all!
>
> He then became silent, and went right to work
> He filed the indictments and turned with a jerk
> And pointing his finger at justice's scale
> Said, "The people be served, and let fairness prevail."
>
> He then left the room, to his team gave a nod
> And the sound could be heard of a crumbling facade
> And we all did exclaim, as he faded from sight
> "Merry Fitzmas to all, and to all a good night!"

SlaveNoMore 10-28-2005 12:50 PM

And Slave aint got nothing on me
 
Quote:

taxwonk
Twas the night before Fitzmas, and in the White House
> Every one was scared shitless, and Bush was quite soused
> The indictments were hanging like Damoceles' sword
> As verminous oxen prepared to be gored
>
> The perps were all sleepless, curled fetal in bed
> While visions of prison cells loomed in each head
> And Dick in his jammies, and George in his lap
> Were sweating and swearing and looking like crap
>
> When out on the web there arose such a clatter
> The blogs and the forums were buzzing with chatter
> Away to the PC Rove ran like a flash
> He booted his browser and cleared out his cache
>
> The rumors that flew through the cold autumn air
> Made Dubya shiver with angry despair
> When what to his horror-filled eyes did he spy?
> A bespectacled man with a brown suit and tie!
>
> With an impartial manner that gave Bush the sh*ts
> He knew in a moment it must be St. Fitz!
> With unwavering voice, his indictments they came
> He cleared out his throat and he called them by name:
>
> Now Scooter, Now Libby,
> Now Blossoming Turd,
> Now Cheney, dear Cheney,
> Yes, you are the third
> To the bench of the court
> Up the steps, down the hall
> Now come along, come along,
> Come along, one and all!
>
> He then became silent, and went right to work
> He filed the indictments and turned with a jerk
> And pointing his finger at justice's scale
> Said, "The people be served, and let fairness prevail."
>
> He then left the room, to his team gave a nod
> And the sound could be heard of a crumbling facade
> And we all did exclaim, as he faded from sight
> "Merry Fitzmas to all, and to all a good night!"
Nice crib job, Santa.

And that its innaccurate. But hey, what the hell

taxwonk 10-28-2005 12:53 PM

And Slave aint got nothing on me
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Nice crib job, Santa.

And that its innaccurate. But hey, what the hell
I wasn't really trying to claim credit, just as I assume you didn't write your version. (My apologies and kudos to you if you did). I was just making sure that both sides of the issue were portrayed in equally artistic fashion.

Fair and balanced, you know. It's a cliche and a watchword.

ltl/fb 10-28-2005 01:06 PM

Scooter (how can a 55-yr-old guy go by that name? christ) indicted
 
lying to fbi in 2003
lying to grand jury in 2004
obstructing justice (probably by lying) in 2005

And he has resigned as of like 1 minute ago.

Sexual Harassment Panda 10-28-2005 01:16 PM

Scooter (how can a 55-yr-old guy go by that name? christ) indicted
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
lying to fbi in 2003
lying to grand jury in 2004
obstructing justice (probably by lying) in 2005

And he has resigned as of like 1 minute ago.
Good. I hope the door hits his foot on the way out.

Now, who's next? Anyone believe Fitz will stop at one?

spookyfish 10-28-2005 01:31 PM

Scooter (how can a 55-yr-old guy go by that name? christ) indicted
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
lying to fbi in 2003
lying to grand jury in 2004
obstructing justice (probably by lying) in 2005

And he has resigned as of like 1 minute ago.
At least he didn't allegedly rape anybody, I guess. . .

Shape Shifter 10-28-2005 01:39 PM

Scooter (how can a 55-yr-old guy go by that name? christ) indicted
 
Quote:

Originally posted by spookyfish
At least he didn't allegedly rape anybody, I guess. . .
Not true.

Not Bob 10-28-2005 01:41 PM

Scooter (how can a 55-yr-old guy go by that name? christ) indicted
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
Good. I hope the door hits his foot on the way out.

Now, who's next? Anyone believe Fitz will stop at one?
Dunno. Intriguing reference in the indictment to "Official A" having spoken to Robert Novak about Plame working for the CIA. Also interesting -- seeing the actual testimony alleged to be false. http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/do...t_28102005.pdf

Gattigap 10-28-2005 01:46 PM

Scooter (how can a 55-yr-old guy go by that name? christ) indicted
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Not Bob
Dunno. Intriguing reference in the indictment to "Official A" having spoken to Robert Novak about Plame working for the CIA. Also interesting -- seeing the actual testimony alleged to be false. http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/do...t_28102005.pdf
Looks like Cooper and Russert are giving Libby the heave-ho. Backbone for the fourth estate, eh?

SlaveNoMore 10-28-2005 01:46 PM

And Slave aint got nothing on me
 
Quote:

taxwonk
... just as I assume you didn't write your version. (My apologies and kudos to you if you did).
I know my posts have been quite uncreative in the last - oh, say -3 years or so, but ouch. That hurts.

Not Bob 10-28-2005 02:01 PM

Scooter (how can a 55-yr-old guy go by that name? christ) indicted
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
Looks like Cooper and Russert are giving Libby the heave-ho. Backbone for the fourth estate, eh?
Should they have lied for him (to the FBI or under oath to the grand jury)? And would it have even helped him if they did, since the indictment indicates that someone told Fitzgerald that Libby learned about Plame working for the CIA from the Vice President, and not from the reporters?

taxwonk 10-28-2005 02:05 PM

And Slave aint got nothing on me
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I know my posts have been quite uncreative in the last - oh, say -3 years or so, but ouch. That hurts.
Sorry. My bad.

Gattigap 10-28-2005 02:14 PM

Scooter (how can a 55-yr-old guy go by that name? christ) indicted
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Not Bob
Should they have lied for him (to the FBI or under oath to the grand jury)? And would it have even helped him if they did, since the indictment indicates that someone told Fitzgerald that Libby learned about Plame working for the CIA from the Vice President, and not from the reporters?
Not suggesting they should've. Only observing that they probably didn't get the same from Libby that, if some rumors are to be believed, did Miller.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-28-2005 03:54 PM

Beetlejuice
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
  • Above all, there is the wonderfully Pynchonesque Valerie Plame.

Hello!

Hank Chinaski 10-28-2005 04:01 PM

''The Democrats are basically supportive of the troops."
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Hello!
Have you been busy working on the new platform?

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...security_plan/
  • Democratic leaders offer a national security plan
    Proposal aims for reduction of troops in Iraq

    WASHINGTON -- A year after failing to convince most voters that Democrats can protect the United States, party leaders yesterday issued the outlines of a new national security message built on plans to reduce US troops in Iraq and sharply increase security spending at home.

Money Quote!
  • Separately, Clinton administration secretary of state Madeleine K. Albright delivered a report to top Democratic congressional leaders calling for a 50 percent increase in federal spending on homeland security, the creation of a domestic intelligence agency, and a Cabinet-level ranking for the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

    ''We are all looking at the Iraq issue, how to make America safe and not leave the situation in complete chaos," Albright added, echoing many of Kerry's themes. ''The Democrats are basically supportive of the troops."


Has anyone here taken the bet on the Dems losing 3 more senate seats next year? I've got money out with several fellow traveler neighbors, but no reason for the board to miss out.

Penske_Account 10-28-2005 04:08 PM

I have here in my hand a list of 242 card-carrying members . . .
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
That or Gatti is your sock
2.

Penske_Account 10-28-2005 04:09 PM

I have here in my hand a list of 242 card-carrying members . . .
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
I can confirm that Spanky is not a Penske sock, although they do look quite similar, minus the kilt.
If I had not cut my hair I could see this, generally, no offence.

Penske_Account 10-28-2005 04:10 PM

I have here in my hand a list of 242 card-carrying members . . .
 
Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk
Having a dialogue with yourself seems a lot less pathetic when you use socks. WTTW.
STP.

Penske_Account 10-28-2005 04:13 PM

I have here in my hand a list of 242 card-carrying members . . .
 
Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk
I'm afraid I don't really see your point. I haven't done any of those things. I spent a couple of days trying to talk him down from his manic rant and all it seemed to do was to exacerbate the situation.

dissent. I attempted to give you the gift of a finely tuned moral compass and you spurned my good faith effourts in order to remain mired in the land of moral relativity where rape, murder and perjury are subject are subject to "it's just about sex" exceptions.


Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk

If you really cared for him you would stage some sort of intervention, but instead you encourage his insanity. Is it because he serves your political agenda, or is it just for your own cruel pleasure because he amuses you and is so easily manipulated?
Hank is a righteous ally. And he shares his wife.

Hank Chinaski 10-28-2005 04:16 PM

I have here in my hand a list of 242 card-carrying members . . .
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account


Hank is a righteous ally.
I'm there for you brother!

Quote:

And he shares his wife.
you're there for me?

Penske_Account 10-28-2005 04:26 PM

I have here in my hand a list of 242 card-carrying members . . .
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I'm there for you brother!



you're there for me?
2! Right on@!

Nut Penske 10-28-2005 04:58 PM

I have here in my hand a list of 242 card-carrying members . . .
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
dissent. I attempted to give you the gift of a finely tuned moral compass and you spurned my good faith effourts in order to remain mired in the land of moral relativity where rape, murder and perjury are subject are subject to "it's just about sex" exceptions.




Hank is a righteous ally. And he shares his wife.


http://prodtn.cafepress.com/1/12264261_F_tn.jpg

Penske_Account 10-28-2005 06:10 PM

I have here in my hand a list of 242 card-carrying members . . .
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Nut Penske
http://prodtn.cafepress.com/1/12264261_F_tn.jpg
Does that thought turn you on? Pervert!

LessinSF 10-28-2005 06:12 PM

Someone plopped a steamer in the gene pool
 
it's not the right time to be sober
now the idiots have taken over
spreading like a social cancer, is there an answer?

Mensa membership conceding
tell me why and how are all the stupid people breeding
Watson, it's really elementary
the industrial revolution
has flipped the bitch on evolution
the benevolent and wise are being thwarted, ostracized, what a bummer
the world keeps getting dumber
insensitivity is standard and faith is being fancied over reason

darwin's rollin over in his coffin
the fittest are surviving much less often
now everything seems to be reversing, and it's worsening
someone flopped a steamer in the gene pool
now angry mob mentality's no longer the exception, it's the rule
and im startin to feel a lot like charlton heston
stranded on a primate planet
apes and orangutans that ran it to the ground
with generals and the armies that obeyed them
followers following fables
philosophies that enable them to rule without regard

there's no point for democracy when ignorance is celebrated
political scientists get the same one vote as some Arkansas inbred
majority rule, don't work in mental institutions
sometimes the smallest softest voice carries the grand biggest solutions

what are we left with?
a nation of god-fearing pregnant nationalists
who feel it's their duty to populate the homeland
pass on traditions
how to get ahead religions
And prosperity via simpleton culture

the idiots are takin over [x8]

Penske_Account 10-28-2005 06:17 PM

Someone plopped a steamer in the gene pool
 
Quote:

Originally posted by LessinSF
it's not the right time to be sober
now the idiots have taken over
spreading like a social cancer, is there an answer?

Mensa membership conceding
tell me why and how are all the stupid people breeding
Watson, it's really elementary
the industrial revolution
has flipped the bitch on evolution
the benevolent and wise are being thwarted, ostracized, what a bummer
the world keeps getting dumber
insensitivity is standard and faith is being fancied over reason

darwin's rollin over in his coffin
the fittest are surviving much less often
now everything seems to be reversing, and it's worsening
someone flopped a steamer in the gene pool
now angry mob mentality's no longer the exception, it's the rule
and im startin to feel a lot like charlton heston
stranded on a primate planet
apes and orangutans that ran it to the ground
with generals and the armies that obeyed them
followers following fables
philosophies that enable them to rule without regard

there's no point for democracy when ignorance is celebrated
political scientists get the same one vote as some Arkansas inbred
majority rule, don't work in mental institutions
sometimes the smallest softest voice carries the grand biggest solutions

what are we left with?
a nation of god-fearing pregnant nationalists
who feel it's their duty to populate the homeland
pass on traditions
how to get ahead religions
And prosperity via simpleton culture

the idiots are takin over [x8]
the babyjesuschristsuperstar smiles at the thought of it.

http://www.mfch.org/images/SmilingJesus.JPG

sgtclub 10-28-2005 06:34 PM

Burger - Who Won
 
Now that the indictments are in, isn't it time for the tally? I'm pretty sure I won something for betting there would be no indictment on the leak issue, but as I recall there were a range of bets out there.

Penske_Account 10-28-2005 06:42 PM

Burger - Who Won
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
Now that the indictments are in, isn't it time for the tally? I'm pretty sure I won something for betting there would be no indictment on the leak issue, but as I recall there were a range of bets out there.
You are first amongst many Club. In truth, all real and patriotic Americans win, given that Rove was unindicted.

[BREAKING]By the by, anyone else hear that Janice Rogers Brown was spotted entering the White House this afternoon?!?! This is looking good......more to follow.....[/BREAKING]

SlaveNoMore 10-28-2005 06:47 PM

Burger - Who Won
 
Quote:

Penske_Account
[BREAKING]By the by, anyone else hear that Janice Rogers Brown was spotted entering the White House this afternoon?!?! This is looking good......more to follow.....[/BREAKING]
Given that POTUS and Andy Card left for Camp David this morning, I can only assume she was merely taking the tour.

SlaveNoMore 10-28-2005 06:52 PM

NR Editorial
 
from www.nationalreview.com

Fitzmas” Day
October 28, 2005

The breathless waiting is over. Fitzmas Day has arrived. And those George W. Bush critics who have so eagerly anticipated it have to be a little disappointed.

There has been much high-minded talk about how the Valerie Plame controversy is really about the case for the Iraq war. No. For liberals, it has always been about inflicting as much damage as possible to the Bush White House, especially by taking out through indictment its most central player in the person of Karl Rove. That has not happened. Nor has special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald alleged a conspiracy at the top levels of the Bush administration to out a CIA agent. What he instead charges in his five-count indictment is that Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff, Lewis “Scooter” Libby, lied to investigators about conversations with three reporters. This long-hyped, two-year investigation appears to come down, in other words, to one man's alleged dishonesty when investigators came knocking. This is not Watergate or Iran-Contra, but neither is it a trifle.

Please spare us the excuses warmed over from Democratic talking points in the 1990s: the prosecutor is out-of-control, there was no underlying crime, etc., etc. It is the responsibility of anyone, especially a public official, to tell the truth to FBI agents and grand juries. If Libby didn't, he should face the consequences. Fitzgerald's indictment is not a Ronnie Earle-style partisan production, held together with scotch tape and malicious intentions. But this is the prosecutor's day, when he gets to make the argument against his target unrebutted. Libby will get his chance to respond, and it might be that Fitzgerald's case looks weaker soon.

But conservatives would be well-advised not to start slamming Fitzgerald. We don't know all the facts and until we do, his acts are open to dueling interpretations. It seemed unfair for him to talk at his press conference of Libby damaging national security by revealing classified information, when Libby wasn't charged with that. But this was a departure for the otherwise restrained and responsible Fitzgerald. The Bush administration, for its part, has conducted itself with notable forbearance in this case, avoiding the sort of smears that the Clinton administration routinely resorted to whenever a prosecutor proved inconvenient.

Fitzgerald's merits aside, the limits of special-prosecutor investigations were once again evident in this case. Two years later, we still don't know important facts. Was Plame covert? Fitzgerald can't or won't say. Who is “Official A” (although we can all guess)? Who were the other unnamed officials? It is a prosecutor's job to build a criminal case, period, full stop. But in high-stakes political controversies, that's not really the public interest — disclosure is. Then, everyone knows the facts and the public can make its judgments on what is appropriate. Offending officials can be punished with resignations and public obloquy. Except in dire cases — say, bribery — that process should take precedence over prosecutions rather than the other way around.

Unfortunately, Republicans and Democrats engage in alternating opportunism over “the criminalization of politics,” and it is the Democrats’ turn to pin their political hopes on the work of a prosecutor. — The Editors

Penske_Account 10-28-2005 07:00 PM

Burger - Who Won
 
Sen. Edward M Kennedy, D-Mass., said the indictment marked a "signifying a new low since Watergate in terms of openness and honesty in our government."


No. Sorry Bloatedboy.

This low is above the low that was registered when a US Senator attempted to bribe his cousin to lie to law enforcement and accept the Senator's role in the wrongful death of a lovely innocent young girl.

Also this low is above the low of a post-Watergate Governor who beats and rapes a local businesswoman and then sends his wife after the woman to threaten her with additional harm if she goes to law enforcement and makes a complaint.

Also this low is above the low of a post-watergate US President who presents a false affidavit to a federal judge in a civil suit against the President in order to influence the judge's ruling on a material issue.

Also this low is above the low of a post-watergate US President who lies under oath during a deposition in a federal lawsuit.

Also this low is above the low of a post-watergate US President who violently sexually assaults a recently widowed party fundraiser in the White House.

Also this low is above the low of a post-watergate US President who masturbates into the sink in the Oval Office in front of a White House intern.

Also this low is above the low of a post-Civil War, post-Civil Rights era Demo party that holds out a Ku Klux Klan Kleagle as its conscience.

Those lows are unparalled in modern times. What a sad corrupt sinful organisation the DNC is. No wonder America is running from it.

http://www.ytedk.com/mjgrave.jpg

SlaveNoMore 10-28-2005 07:35 PM

Burger - Who Won
 
Quote:

Penske_Account
Sen. Edward M Kennedy, D-Mass., said the indictment marked a "signifying a new low since Watergate in terms of openness and honesty in our government."

Penske, he said "since" Watergate and Teddy drowned Mary Jo BEFORE Watergate. Your rant is a bit off.

That being said, I guess Ted was drunk and missed it when Clinton was impeached, Hillary "could have been indicted over Travelgate" and 2 members of his cabinet, Espy and Cisneros, were indeed indicted.

ltl/fb 10-28-2005 07:48 PM

Burger - Who Won
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Penske, he said "since" Watergate and Teddy drowned Mary Jo BEFORE Watergate. Your rant is a bit off.

That being said, I guess Ted was drunk and missed it when Clinton was impeached, Hillary "could have been indicted over Travelgate" and 2 members of his cabinet, Espy and Cisneros, were indeed indicted.
Had Espy and Cisneros resigned before the indictments were issued?

Also, I'm not seeing how lying under oath to a grand jury is worse than lying under oath in a deposition.

Penske_Account 10-28-2005 07:53 PM

Burger - Who Won
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Had Espy and Cisneros resigned before the indictments were issued?

Also, I'm not seeing how lying under oath to a grand jury is worse than lying under oath in a deposition.
You're blinded by godless partisan rhetoric, but can you see how rape or sexual assault might be?

ltl/fb 10-28-2005 07:57 PM

Burger - Who Won
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
You're blinded by godless partisan rhetoric, but can you see how rape or sexual assault might be?
I was not commenting on those issues. Please address the question at hand. Thanks.

Nice to see you no longer claim god for the Rs, though.


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